Five Pembrokeshire secondary schools drop in annual Welsh Government banding system

Five Pembrokeshire secondary schools have dropped bands in the latest Welsh Government banding results.

Pembrokeshire now has no schools in the highest Band 1 but two in the lowest, Band 5 (Tasker Milward and Milford Haven).

The Welsh Government’s banding system involves using national data on school performance to group secondary schools into one of five bands.

Those in Band 1 show good overall performance and progress; those in Band 5 show lower performance and progress in these indicators.

In 2013 Pembrokeshire three schools remain in the same band as last year while five are in lower bands.

The county’s secondary schools are now banded as follows:

Band 2

• Sir Thomas Picton (Haverfordwest)

• Greenhill (Tenby).

Band 3

• Ysgol Dewi Sant

• Ysgol Preseli (Crymych)

• Pembroke.

Band 4

• Ysgol Bro Gwaun (Fishguard).

Band 5

• Milford Haven

• Tasker-Milward (Haverfordwest).

In 2012 all eight county secondary schools were in Band 2 and Band 3.

In 2011, Ysgol Preseli was in Band 1, the only Pembrokeshire secondary school to have been in Band 1.

Pembrokeshire County Council Leader, Councillor Jamie Adams, said: "The banding presents a mixed outcome for our schools.

“We are working with the schools identified as needing to improve their position.

“Pembrokeshire, like other local authorities in Wales, uses the outcomes of the school banding process to support school improvement.

“It is one part of a series of performance indicators used that support the evidence in self-evaluation.

“When used constructively and in context, it provides a good range of data demonstrating trends and annual performance. Schools are challenged and appropriate support and targeted interventions are undertaken.

“Since the data was available to schools and the local authority during the summer, appropriate interventions and support are now in place.”

Shadow Minister for Education Angela Burns, AM for south Pembrokeshire, said: “Serious questions persist over a system that remains unconvincing and unproven.

“I am not satisfied that banding – as it stands – has any real value for education in Wales.

“If we are going to measure school performance, the systems involved should be fair and equitable, and comparable like-for-like. I do not believe that is currently the case.”

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1:40pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Electra1 says...

And Taskers use to be so good.
And Taskers use to be so good. Electra1
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8:50pm Thu 12 Dec 13

raibas says...

banding has got to be a negative issue. back in the day teachers were there to teach but now they have targets to reach and heads are on the carpet if they are not reached. lets have some thoughts for our kids as individuals instead of them being statistics.
banding has got to be a negative issue. back in the day teachers were there to teach but now they have targets to reach and heads are on the carpet if they are not reached. lets have some thoughts for our kids as individuals instead of them being statistics. raibas
  • Score: 8

9:20pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Kiwitaff says...

Having Leader Adams to comment on education says it all. He needed help to submit his travel expenses.

Secondary Education in Wales has not done very well recently coming bottom in the UK on the PISA international ratings. Could the latest results indicate that Pembs CC is just not up to running an effective Education service.

Yes Electra Pembrokeshire schools were seen as top schools when they were part of Dyfed LEA. At that time they had a Professional Teachers Centre in Neyland. Threatening to close schools must work wonders on staff moral.
Having Leader Adams to comment on education says it all. He needed help to submit his travel expenses. Secondary Education in Wales has not done very well recently coming bottom in the UK on the PISA international ratings. Could the latest results indicate that Pembs CC is just not up to running an effective Education service. Yes Electra Pembrokeshire schools were seen as top schools when they were part of Dyfed LEA. At that time they had a Professional Teachers Centre in Neyland. Threatening to close schools must work wonders on staff moral. Kiwitaff
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9:41pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Gogledd says...

I think we are even worse than some of what we call Third World Countries as far as education is concerned. I dont have any answers except to look at the effectiveness of our local authority or lack of it in managing our Education.
I think we are even worse than some of what we call Third World Countries as far as education is concerned. I dont have any answers except to look at the effectiveness of our local authority or lack of it in managing our Education. Gogledd
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9:45am Fri 13 Dec 13

Gogledd says...

The problem here also is the knock on effect. If we want young professional people to come and live in Pembrokeshire and work in our community, our hospitals, public services they are going to look at the education system in place. You want the best for your children and if the education system isnt up to standard you are not going to choose to live here...and we all then suffer. We loose services, no one wants to come to live here and we already have a problem attracting doctors and nurses into this county.
The problem here also is the knock on effect. If we want young professional people to come and live in Pembrokeshire and work in our community, our hospitals, public services they are going to look at the education system in place. You want the best for your children and if the education system isnt up to standard you are not going to choose to live here...and we all then suffer. We loose services, no one wants to come to live here and we already have a problem attracting doctors and nurses into this county. Gogledd
  • Score: 4

8:52pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Kiwitaff says...

Spot on Gogledd Pembs should be able to attract young families with high skill sets. The Education Service accounts for about sixty per cent of Pembs CC total budget. Investing in a good education service must be a top priority. St Davids school is another example of the clueless Council. Instead of investing in a 21st century school, they look to close it and fail to appoint the head teacher on a full time contract,

Given all the uncertainty the school community still manages to do well in this banding scrutiny which is probably not the most accurate indicator of school performance.

I hope that next year there is a major shake up and the CEO and his elite clicke of Councillors get their just deserves.
Spot on Gogledd Pembs should be able to attract young families with high skill sets. The Education Service accounts for about sixty per cent of Pembs CC total budget. Investing in a good education service must be a top priority. St Davids school is another example of the clueless Council. Instead of investing in a 21st century school, they look to close it and fail to appoint the head teacher on a full time contract, Given all the uncertainty the school community still manages to do well in this banding scrutiny which is probably not the most accurate indicator of school performance. I hope that next year there is a major shake up and the CEO and his elite clicke of Councillors get their just deserves. Kiwitaff
  • Score: 1

8:38am Sat 14 Dec 13

Tttoommy says...

Off topic - sad to see the Local papers not keeping up to date with the sad story of Derek Brundrett who hanged himself at the Pembroke School on Friday or the allegations of bullying.
Such a sad story RIP
Off topic - sad to see the Local papers not keeping up to date with the sad story of Derek Brundrett who hanged himself at the Pembroke School on Friday or the allegations of bullying. Such a sad story RIP Tttoommy
  • Score: -1

6:10pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Yves14.. says...

I completed my education in 1976, in Greenhill School Tenby, I am not sure if there was banding for schools back then or not. I had sufficient grades in "O Levels" enough to get me a career in MI5 London.

I am not convinced that Politics should be involved in education, or local councils for that fact, to my knowledge there is no real support in schools for pupils to cope in the world when they leave, lessons in money management, self maintenance too.

Most of that is done by Social Work Departments for school leavers, which doesn't say much for previous educational lessons surely?
I completed my education in 1976, in Greenhill School Tenby, I am not sure if there was banding for schools back then or not. I had sufficient grades in "O Levels" enough to get me a career in MI5 London. I am not convinced that Politics should be involved in education, or local councils for that fact, to my knowledge there is no real support in schools for pupils to cope in the world when they leave, lessons in money management, self maintenance too. Most of that is done by Social Work Departments for school leavers, which doesn't say much for previous educational lessons surely? Yves14..
  • Score: -1

8:46am Mon 16 Dec 13

Tttoommy says...

Kiwitaff says...

Having Leader Adams to comment on education says it all. He needed help to submit his travel expenses.
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Actually it's rather like Dracula in charge of the Blood Bank ;)
Kiwitaff says... Having Leader Adams to comment on education says it all. He needed help to submit his travel expenses. .................... .................... .................... .................... .................... .................... .................... Actually it's rather like Dracula in charge of the Blood Bank ;) Tttoommy
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5:48pm Thu 19 Dec 13

rizztizz says...

Electra1 wrote:
And Taskers use to be so good.
When I started Taskers in 2002 it was still an OK school. By the time I left in 2009, my friends and I could tell that it was getting worse. It can be broken down into 3 main reasons. Firstly, the old guard of experienced and respected teachers came to retirement age and left. Secondly, the new head was a disastrous appointment. We couldn't believe that a woman with 4 inch heels and copious amounts of fake tan could be a respected figure head for the school. She had a bad rapport with teachers, resulting in an exodus of the remaining quality educators. The third point is general attitude to achievement and the traditions of the school which have been eradicated . We no longer have a good sports department ( no tours to South Africa, no county champions in any discipline), no disciplinarians or positive role models, and the administration is shocking ( look no further than the recent sex policy scandal). The uniform was changed AGAIN, lowering the tone with a disgusting Wilkinson style pastille red polo whereas a decade before we had the black blazer and tie (which seems the complete opposite to what schools in England are doing in regards to reintroducing smart uniforms to benefit attainment and behaviour).... I could rant all day about this slide into mediocrity. Am I shocked by the failure of the school, yes. Am I surprised, a resounding NO! This new 'banding' may be a slightly sensationalist way of grouping schools together, and the council may object to the system, but you don't have to be a genius to acknowledge the deterioration of Taskers. Ultimately it's the kids at the school who are suffering, and it's their futures that are being tarnished by a decade of incompetence and bad management.
[quote][p][bold]Electra1[/bold] wrote: And Taskers use to be so good.[/p][/quote]When I started Taskers in 2002 it was still an OK school. By the time I left in 2009, my friends and I could tell that it was getting worse. It can be broken down into 3 main reasons. Firstly, the old guard of experienced and respected teachers came to retirement age and left. Secondly, the new head was a disastrous appointment. We couldn't believe that a woman with 4 inch heels and copious amounts of fake tan could be a respected figure head for the school. She had a bad rapport with teachers, resulting in an exodus of the remaining quality educators. The third point is general attitude to achievement and the traditions of the school which have been eradicated . We no longer have a good sports department ( no tours to South Africa, no county champions in any discipline), no disciplinarians or positive role models, and the administration is shocking ( look no further than the recent sex policy scandal). The uniform was changed AGAIN, lowering the tone with a disgusting Wilkinson style pastille red polo whereas a decade before we had the black blazer and tie (which seems the complete opposite to what schools in England are doing in regards to reintroducing smart uniforms to benefit attainment and behaviour).... I could rant all day about this slide into mediocrity. Am I shocked by the failure of the school, yes. Am I surprised, a resounding NO! This new 'banding' may be a slightly sensationalist way of grouping schools together, and the council may object to the system, but you don't have to be a genius to acknowledge the deterioration of Taskers. Ultimately it's the kids at the school who are suffering, and it's their futures that are being tarnished by a decade of incompetence and bad management. rizztizz
  • Score: 2

6:52pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Tttoommy says...

Who gave this woman a job? Does it fall within the remit of the Councillors or one councillor e.g head of education or who?
Who gave this woman a job? Does it fall within the remit of the Councillors or one councillor e.g head of education or who? Tttoommy
  • Score: 2

10:20pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Tttoommy says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Who gave this woman a job? Does it fall within the remit of the Councillors or one councillor e.g head of education or who?
can I just say - no suggestion of anythjing
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: Who gave this woman a job? Does it fall within the remit of the Councillors or one councillor e.g head of education or who?[/p][/quote]can I just say - no suggestion of anythjing Tttoommy
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