Pembrokeshire and Ceredigion councils 'should merge' as part of major local authority shake-up

Pembrokeshire and Ceredigion councils should merge 'as a minimum', a report on the future of local authorities in Wales says.

The Williams Commission says councils should be merged leaving 10, 11 or 12 local authorities rather than the current set-up of 22 Welsh councils.

The changes should be agreed at Easter at the latest, the report states.

The minimum suggested by the Commission - headed by former NHS Wales chief executive Paul Williams - would see Carmarthenshire remain unchanged but Pembrokeshire and Ceredigion councils would merge.

Another option would be to merge Pembrokeshire, Ceredigion and Carmarthenshire - retunring to form of the previous Dyfed adminstration.

Council leader Jamie Adams said today: “We are currently giving the report detailed consideration and it will be interesting to hear the Welsh Government’s response to it.

“As I have said previously, I believe the projected benefits are superficial. It is a gamble and with every gamble there is a risk.

“My immediate concerns are the risk to services and also the cost in the end to the Council Taxpayers of Pembrokeshire.”

Last week, when the changes were first mooted, Cllr Adams had said: “In my view, retaining local democratic representation is of the utmost importance,” said Cllr Adams.

“Decisions about Pembrokeshire should be taken in Pembrokeshire. Given that we currently charge, by some margin, the lowest Council Tax in Wales, any merger with another local authority is likely to result in a significant increase in the level of Council Tax Pembrokeshire residents would be expected to pay.”

Preseli Pembrokeshire MP Stephen Crabb said he felt ministers in Cardiff should ‘tread carefully’ when it came to creating ‘super-councils’ in Wales.

“Bigger does not always mean beautiful or provide better value for money for that matter,” said Mr Crabb.

“There were very good reasons why local people fought to get Pembrokeshire back from the old Dyfed authority. Many of those reasons are still valid. The merger of the Pembrokeshire Health Board with Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion a few years ago, and the battle for Withybush as a result, provides a pointer as to the risks to local services that could follow the abolition of Pembrokeshire County Council.”

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11:19am Mon 20 Jan 14

Gogledd says...

What fun.
What fun. Gogledd
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12:34pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Electra1 says...

And get rid of BPJ.
And get rid of BPJ. Electra1
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2:37pm Mon 20 Jan 14

belowthelandsker says...

hi gggddd
hi gggddd belowthelandsker
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2:39pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

Just what effect has PCC had on the Health Board's proposals?
Just how democratic is PCC?
Just what effect has PCC had on the Health Board's proposals? Just how democratic is PCC? Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: -13

2:55pm Mon 20 Jan 14

belowthelandsker says...

Merging with Ceredigion council poses a significant threat to our identity, history and culture here in Pembrokeshire. The two existing councils' position/policy on the Welsh language is vastly different, so how is this going be merged? Will Pembrokeshire harden it's line on the Welsh language or will Ceredigion weaken it's if/when the merger goes ahead. Does anybody here honeslty believe that Ceredigion will weaken it's policy? No of course not... the fervent Welsh nationalists and professional language activists would not allow that for a second!

So where would that leave us here in Pembrokeshire? Well, in a week where there has already been one attack on Pembrokeshire Council's more realistic approach to the Welsh language, I think we all know that we could say a big hello to 'Welsh speaker only' jobs at the new 'super council'... particularly as the administrative centre would likely be moved from Haverfordwest to Cardigan. Gwynedd Council already administrates internally purely through the medium of Welsh and the possiblilty of Ceredigion council following suit has often been suggested! In fact it is Plaid Cymru policy for them and Carmarthen to do exactly that if they ever gained power.

What about education, well as some of you will know, schools throughout Ceredigion and most recently (and controversially) Cardigan town itself have gone exclusively Welsh medium. I think if Pembrokeshire were ever merged then there would be a massive push from language purists living to our north for our schools to go the same way. There will be little respect or sensitivity for our unique culture and history here, as there never is from Welsh nationalists. Pembrokeshire's identity and history to them is viewed more as a dirty secret than something to be proud of.

I would suggest Pembrokeshire folk need to be very concerned about these proposed changes.
Merging with Ceredigion council poses a significant threat to our identity, history and culture here in Pembrokeshire. The two existing councils' position/policy on the Welsh language is vastly different, so how is this going be merged? Will Pembrokeshire harden it's line on the Welsh language or will Ceredigion weaken it's if/when the merger goes ahead. Does anybody here honeslty believe that Ceredigion will weaken it's policy? No of course not... the fervent Welsh nationalists and professional language activists would not allow that for a second! So where would that leave us here in Pembrokeshire? Well, in a week where there has already been one attack on Pembrokeshire Council's more realistic approach to the Welsh language, I think we all know that we could say a big hello to 'Welsh speaker only' jobs at the new 'super council'... particularly as the administrative centre would likely be moved from Haverfordwest to Cardigan. Gwynedd Council already administrates internally purely through the medium of Welsh and the possiblilty of Ceredigion council following suit has often been suggested! In fact it is Plaid Cymru policy for them and Carmarthen to do exactly that if they ever gained power. What about education, well as some of you will know, schools throughout Ceredigion and most recently (and controversially) Cardigan town itself have gone exclusively Welsh medium. I think if Pembrokeshire were ever merged then there would be a massive push from language purists living to our north for our schools to go the same way. There will be little respect or sensitivity for our unique culture and history here, as there never is from Welsh nationalists. Pembrokeshire's identity and history to them is viewed more as a dirty secret than something to be proud of. I would suggest Pembrokeshire folk need to be very concerned about these proposed changes. belowthelandsker
  • Score: 48

5:19pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Tttoommy says...

Electra1 wrote:
And get rid of BPJ.
I agree, the Chief Exec in Ceredigion I believe is on around a £100k, I guess because she's an efficient hard working woman who isn't a mason - she'd be great for Pembrokeshire.
The only issue is I'm betting BPJ has some contract clause where he'll get half a million to go quietly, possibly a gagging clause so he can't diss the councillors? I'm guessing of course but it's the way I've seen it in other areas
[quote][p][bold]Electra1[/bold] wrote: And get rid of BPJ.[/p][/quote]I agree, the Chief Exec in Ceredigion I believe is on around a £100k, I guess because she's an efficient hard working woman who isn't a mason - she'd be great for Pembrokeshire. The only issue is I'm betting BPJ has some contract clause where he'll get half a million to go quietly, possibly a gagging clause so he can't diss the councillors? I'm guessing of course but it's the way I've seen it in other areas Tttoommy
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5:30pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Welshman23 says...

Now we will see fighting in the Kremlin for dominance.
Now we will see fighting in the Kremlin for dominance. Welshman23
  • Score: -7

9:02pm Mon 20 Jan 14

neil p says...

Hmm, just a shame Cornwall isn't a little closer !
Can we claim political asylum due to the undoubted subjugation that will ensue when the Cardies enforce their (very) tight fisted wrath against us foreign non- believers of the Welsh language.
Hmm, just a shame Cornwall isn't a little closer ! Can we claim political asylum due to the undoubted subjugation that will ensue when the Cardies enforce their (very) tight fisted wrath against us foreign non- believers of the Welsh language. neil p
  • Score: 13

10:12pm Mon 20 Jan 14

H'west guy says...

I am no way a fan of Stephen Crabb but I have to agree with him here. In no way can an area extending from Pembroke to Aberystwyth with the possibility of including Llanelli be considered a common locality!
We have always been our own county, with our own identity, flag, different needs, different politics and even different language needs (and that is not an attack on the Welsh language). It would be like merging Cornwall with Devon, something the UK government wouldn't dare do.
Yes we had this when Dyfed was around but Dyfed was never a unitary authority, it had its own districts like Preseli, Dinefwr etc. I agree there needs to be some reform and the likes of Merthyr Tydfil, Bridgend should merge, plus I would like to see Wales following Scotland and Northern Ireland by scrapping first past the post and implementing Single Transferable Vote for local elections.
Dyfed or Pembrokeshire/Ceredi
gion is geographically too big to govern as unitary authority, you would have to divide it again into districts like it was before. This would defeat the object of cutting bureaucracy.
I am no way a fan of Stephen Crabb but I have to agree with him here. In no way can an area extending from Pembroke to Aberystwyth with the possibility of including Llanelli be considered a common locality! We have always been our own county, with our own identity, flag, different needs, different politics and even different language needs (and that is not an attack on the Welsh language). It would be like merging Cornwall with Devon, something the UK government wouldn't dare do. Yes we had this when Dyfed was around but Dyfed was never a unitary authority, it had its own districts like Preseli, Dinefwr etc. I agree there needs to be some reform and the likes of Merthyr Tydfil, Bridgend should merge, plus I would like to see Wales following Scotland and Northern Ireland by scrapping first past the post and implementing Single Transferable Vote for local elections. Dyfed or Pembrokeshire/Ceredi gion is geographically too big to govern as unitary authority, you would have to divide it again into districts like it was before. This would defeat the object of cutting bureaucracy. H'west guy
  • Score: 13

8:16am Tue 21 Jan 14

Tttoommy says...

belowthelandsker wrote:
Merging with Ceredigion council poses a significant threat to our identity, history and culture here in Pembrokeshire. The two existing councils' position/policy on the Welsh language is vastly different, so how is this going be merged? Will Pembrokeshire harden it's line on the Welsh language or will Ceredigion weaken it's if/when the merger goes ahead. Does anybody here honeslty believe that Ceredigion will weaken it's policy? No of course not... the fervent Welsh nationalists and professional language activists would not allow that for a second!

So where would that leave us here in Pembrokeshire? Well, in a week where there has already been one attack on Pembrokeshire Council's more realistic approach to the Welsh language, I think we all know that we could say a big hello to 'Welsh speaker only' jobs at the new 'super council'... particularly as the administrative centre would likely be moved from Haverfordwest to Cardigan. Gwynedd Council already administrates internally purely through the medium of Welsh and the possiblilty of Ceredigion council following suit has often been suggested! In fact it is Plaid Cymru policy for them and Carmarthen to do exactly that if they ever gained power.

What about education, well as some of you will know, schools throughout Ceredigion and most recently (and controversially) Cardigan town itself have gone exclusively Welsh medium. I think if Pembrokeshire were ever merged then there would be a massive push from language purists living to our north for our schools to go the same way. There will be little respect or sensitivity for our unique culture and history here, as there never is from Welsh nationalists. Pembrokeshire's identity and history to them is viewed more as a dirty secret than something to be proud of.

I would suggest Pembrokeshire folk need to be very concerned about these proposed changes.
I honestly do not understand the issues you have with Wales and the Welsh - I'm guessing you do live in Pembrokeshire? I',m positive IF you google Pembs. you'll find that it's in WALES , I know that it'll be disappointing for you, you could always move to England IF you're not there already.

Another point - Do you think BPJ and the likes of Councillor Adams and his party do anything for the benefit of the ppl of Pembrokeshire? I certainly don't!
I believe they're destroying the heart of our county, certainly destroying the town centres and the tourist industry
[quote][p][bold]belowthelandsker[/bold] wrote: Merging with Ceredigion council poses a significant threat to our identity, history and culture here in Pembrokeshire. The two existing councils' position/policy on the Welsh language is vastly different, so how is this going be merged? Will Pembrokeshire harden it's line on the Welsh language or will Ceredigion weaken it's if/when the merger goes ahead. Does anybody here honeslty believe that Ceredigion will weaken it's policy? No of course not... the fervent Welsh nationalists and professional language activists would not allow that for a second! So where would that leave us here in Pembrokeshire? Well, in a week where there has already been one attack on Pembrokeshire Council's more realistic approach to the Welsh language, I think we all know that we could say a big hello to 'Welsh speaker only' jobs at the new 'super council'... particularly as the administrative centre would likely be moved from Haverfordwest to Cardigan. Gwynedd Council already administrates internally purely through the medium of Welsh and the possiblilty of Ceredigion council following suit has often been suggested! In fact it is Plaid Cymru policy for them and Carmarthen to do exactly that if they ever gained power. What about education, well as some of you will know, schools throughout Ceredigion and most recently (and controversially) Cardigan town itself have gone exclusively Welsh medium. I think if Pembrokeshire were ever merged then there would be a massive push from language purists living to our north for our schools to go the same way. There will be little respect or sensitivity for our unique culture and history here, as there never is from Welsh nationalists. Pembrokeshire's identity and history to them is viewed more as a dirty secret than something to be proud of. I would suggest Pembrokeshire folk need to be very concerned about these proposed changes.[/p][/quote]I honestly do not understand the issues you have with Wales and the Welsh - I'm guessing you do live in Pembrokeshire? I',m positive IF you google Pembs. you'll find that it's in WALES , I know that it'll be disappointing for you, you could always move to England IF you're not there already. Another point - Do you think BPJ and the likes of Councillor Adams and his party do anything for the benefit of the ppl of Pembrokeshire? I certainly don't! I believe they're destroying the heart of our county, certainly destroying the town centres and the tourist industry Tttoommy
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9:38am Tue 21 Jan 14

belowthelandsker says...

Indeed I am from Pembrokeshire 'Tttoommy' and my family have been here for as long I can trace too. May I also ask where you are from ? because I'm guessing it's not from Pembrokeshire if you have no interest in our unique history and culture and would be happy to see it swept away in a wave of socially engineered Cymraegification from the north.

Also I'm amused to see the old 'go back to England' chestnut dragged out by a desperate Welsh nationalist. What is it with you lot and England? You use it as an insult... as though your tiny mind can think of no worse insult than being English. I'm genuinely perplexed! It makes as much sense and causes as little upset as if you'd told me to go back to Scotland. Honestly, what has England got to do with it? We, balanced Pembrokeshire folk with no chip on our shoulder have no issue and little interest England. Perhaps it's time for you to give up on your 500 year old grudge, stoked by lies and myths around the Llangranog camp fire, and join the rest of us in the 21st century!
Indeed I am from Pembrokeshire 'Tttoommy' and my family have been here for as long I can trace too. May I also ask where you are from ? because I'm guessing it's not from Pembrokeshire if you have no interest in our unique history and culture and would be happy to see it swept away in a wave of socially engineered Cymraegification from the north. Also I'm amused to see the old 'go back to England' chestnut dragged out by a desperate Welsh nationalist. What is it with you lot and England? You use it as an insult... as though your tiny mind can think of no worse insult than being English. I'm genuinely perplexed! It makes as much sense and causes as little upset as if you'd told me to go back to Scotland. Honestly, what has England got to do with it? We, balanced Pembrokeshire folk with no chip on our shoulder have no issue and little interest England. Perhaps it's time for you to give up on your 500 year old grudge, stoked by lies and myths around the Llangranog camp fire, and join the rest of us in the 21st century! belowthelandsker
  • Score: 24

9:55am Tue 21 Jan 14

Tttoommy says...

I'd have said the well balanced person you pretend to be is because you have a chip on both shoulders ;-)
PS Never voted Plaid or joined the Urdd BUT I do accept that we live in Wales and not below some non-existent line which makes you believe you're "English"
PPS I am welsh and certainly ready to admit that the Senedd has been the worst thing possible for Wales - sKools,education, roads,NHS have gone down the tubes since its inception - 24+ life saving cancer drugs freely available in England, too expensive for Wales, road works i.e traffic lights for years on the A40 and A483 as they have no money to repair the roads, Welsh Education and the WJEC admired all around the UK until some silly sod upgraded pupils results so it looked as though we had an improving education - I could go on and on :)
I'd have said the well balanced person you pretend to be is because you have a chip on both shoulders ;-) PS Never voted Plaid or joined the Urdd BUT I do accept that we live in Wales and not below some non-existent line which makes you believe you're "English" PPS I am welsh and certainly ready to admit that the Senedd has been the worst thing possible for Wales - sKools,education, roads,NHS have gone down the tubes since its inception - 24+ life saving cancer drugs freely available in England, too expensive for Wales, road works i.e traffic lights for years on the A40 and A483 as they have no money to repair the roads, Welsh Education and the WJEC admired all around the UK until some silly sod upgraded pupils results so it looked as though we had an improving education - I could go on and on :) Tttoommy
  • Score: -12

10:10am Tue 21 Jan 14

belowthelandsker says...

ah ok Tttoommy point taken. To be clear though.... I agree I dont live below some line (that did exist incidentally) that makes me 'English' but I most certainly do live below a line that make me Pembrokeshire through and through! Pembrokeshire will always be Pembrokeshire no matter what they try and call us... Dyfed or whatever other made up name they devise.

To support the preservation of the Welsh speaking heartlands in North and west wales from the threat of Anglicisation but not to support the preservation of Pembrokeshire's culture and English speaking history should be in the dictionary under 'hypocrite'.
ah ok Tttoommy point taken. To be clear though.... I agree I dont live below some line (that did exist incidentally) that makes me 'English' but I most certainly do live below a line that make me Pembrokeshire through and through! Pembrokeshire will always be Pembrokeshire no matter what they try and call us... Dyfed or whatever other made up name they devise. To support the preservation of the Welsh speaking heartlands in North and west wales from the threat of Anglicisation but not to support the preservation of Pembrokeshire's culture and English speaking history should be in the dictionary under 'hypocrite'. belowthelandsker
  • Score: 16

4:58pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Rockface says...

belowthelandsker wrote:
ah ok Tttoommy point taken. To be clear though.... I agree I dont live below some line (that did exist incidentally) that makes me 'English' but I most certainly do live below a line that make me Pembrokeshire through and through! Pembrokeshire will always be Pembrokeshire no matter what they try and call us... Dyfed or whatever other made up name they devise.

To support the preservation of the Welsh speaking heartlands in North and west wales from the threat of Anglicisation but not to support the preservation of Pembrokeshire's culture and English speaking history should be in the dictionary under 'hypocrite'.
Pembrokedigion sounds good to me!
[quote][p][bold]belowthelandsker[/bold] wrote: ah ok Tttoommy point taken. To be clear though.... I agree I dont live below some line (that did exist incidentally) that makes me 'English' but I most certainly do live below a line that make me Pembrokeshire through and through! Pembrokeshire will always be Pembrokeshire no matter what they try and call us... Dyfed or whatever other made up name they devise. To support the preservation of the Welsh speaking heartlands in North and west wales from the threat of Anglicisation but not to support the preservation of Pembrokeshire's culture and English speaking history should be in the dictionary under 'hypocrite'.[/p][/quote]Pembrokedigion sounds good to me! Rockface
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6:29pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Bluestone says...

And let's not forget that a Pembs/Cards merger will result in a 9% increase in Council Tax for Pembs residents according to the report, with an horrendous 18.5% increase if they shoehorn Pembs and Ceredigion in with Carmarthenshire. It will be a super Dyfed, which is exactly what Cardiff have been trying to engineer for years!
And let's not forget that a Pembs/Cards merger will result in a 9% increase in Council Tax for Pembs residents according to the report, with an horrendous 18.5% increase if they shoehorn Pembs and Ceredigion in with Carmarthenshire. It will be a super Dyfed, which is exactly what Cardiff have been trying to engineer for years! Bluestone
  • Score: 20

8:17pm Tue 21 Jan 14

H'west guy says...

If we don't like what our politicians or councillors are doing then we should vote them out next time, this applies to both the Senedd and PCC (and granted we should be angry). But merging councils will not necessarily save money.
The bigger the council the greater the demand will be for more powers to be 'devolved' to local town or community councils, or calls to re-establish district councils will get greater. So in the long term it would probably lead to more not less bureacracy.

Yes their needs to be a cut, but not at the cost of traditional counties whose identities we cherish, just like the Cornish cherish theirs. There was a campaign to bring back Pembs in the 80s, which was won in the 90s. If it was abolished again then no doubt the campaign would be re-lauched only to lead to another possible county re-organisation sometime in the 2030s.

Sadly though I don't think STV will be implemented in Wales, Labour will want to keep FPTP only because it benefits them.
If we don't like what our politicians or councillors are doing then we should vote them out next time, this applies to both the Senedd and PCC (and granted we should be angry). But merging councils will not necessarily save money. The bigger the council the greater the demand will be for more powers to be 'devolved' to local town or community councils, or calls to re-establish district councils will get greater. So in the long term it would probably lead to more not less bureacracy. Yes their needs to be a cut, but not at the cost of traditional counties whose identities we cherish, just like the Cornish cherish theirs. There was a campaign to bring back Pembs in the 80s, which was won in the 90s. If it was abolished again then no doubt the campaign would be re-lauched only to lead to another possible county re-organisation sometime in the 2030s. Sadly though I don't think STV will be implemented in Wales, Labour will want to keep FPTP only because it benefits them. H'west guy
  • Score: 16

10:24pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Dyfed2014 says...

H'west guy wrote:
I am no way a fan of Stephen Crabb but I have to agree with him here. In no way can an area extending from Pembroke to Aberystwyth with the possibility of including Llanelli be considered a common locality!
We have always been our own county, with our own identity, flag, different needs, different politics and even different language needs (and that is not an attack on the Welsh language). It would be like merging Cornwall with Devon, something the UK government wouldn't dare do.
Yes we had this when Dyfed was around but Dyfed was never a unitary authority, it had its own districts like Preseli, Dinefwr etc. I agree there needs to be some reform and the likes of Merthyr Tydfil, Bridgend should merge, plus I would like to see Wales following Scotland and Northern Ireland by scrapping first past the post and implementing Single Transferable Vote for local elections.
Dyfed or Pembrokeshire/Ceredi

gion is geographically too big to govern as unitary authority, you would have to divide it again into districts like it was before. This would defeat the object of cutting bureaucracy.
The likes of Merthyr Tydfil - I was brought up in Merthyr Tydfil. The eight counties of Wales should be brought back. Wales cannot afford to "carry" the existing abhorrent structure of 22 authorities for a country the size of Wales. Dyfed, Ceredigion and pembrokeshire to big to be a unitary authority???? More rubbish - What about the geography size of Powys???? If this were placed sideways from the edge of West Wales it would stretch to the unitary authority of West Berkshire!
[quote][p][bold]H'west guy[/bold] wrote: I am no way a fan of Stephen Crabb but I have to agree with him here. In no way can an area extending from Pembroke to Aberystwyth with the possibility of including Llanelli be considered a common locality! We have always been our own county, with our own identity, flag, different needs, different politics and even different language needs (and that is not an attack on the Welsh language). It would be like merging Cornwall with Devon, something the UK government wouldn't dare do. Yes we had this when Dyfed was around but Dyfed was never a unitary authority, it had its own districts like Preseli, Dinefwr etc. I agree there needs to be some reform and the likes of Merthyr Tydfil, Bridgend should merge, plus I would like to see Wales following Scotland and Northern Ireland by scrapping first past the post and implementing Single Transferable Vote for local elections. Dyfed or Pembrokeshire/Ceredi gion is geographically too big to govern as unitary authority, you would have to divide it again into districts like it was before. This would defeat the object of cutting bureaucracy.[/p][/quote]The likes of Merthyr Tydfil - I was brought up in Merthyr Tydfil. The eight counties of Wales should be brought back. Wales cannot afford to "carry" the existing abhorrent structure of 22 authorities for a country the size of Wales. Dyfed, Ceredigion and pembrokeshire to big to be a unitary authority???? More rubbish - What about the geography size of Powys???? If this were placed sideways from the edge of West Wales it would stretch to the unitary authority of West Berkshire! Dyfed2014
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8:43am Wed 22 Jan 14

Tttoommy says...

My best friend used to work in the Welsh NHS, I remember him saying that there were almost as many trusts in Wales as there were in England - we always wondered was that why the Welsh NHS was so poor compared with Englands NHS despite having a higherbudget per person - all those senior managers being ever SO responsible for loads of money just like FTSE chief execs (yeah right)
The point I wish to make is that 22 authorities for Wales is ruddy ludicrous - lets not forget the criticisms are emanating from the WLGA - the Welsh Local Government association is only a trade union for the £100k brigade in councils and they must be horrified at all their poor boyos losing their cushy jobs and of course 8 loads of subscriptions instead of 22 (paid for by us, the tax payer) won't help their plans either.
All I hope is that these ppl who lose their jobs will merely get the state minimum for redundancy - I don't want to hear that BPJ had had a half million payout and THEN hear he's walked into a similar job somewhere else - even worse still be a dictator but this time for Ceredigion as well as Pembs - a VERY sad day for local Democracy in Ceredigion
My best friend used to work in the Welsh NHS, I remember him saying that there were almost as many trusts in Wales as there were in England - we always wondered was that why the Welsh NHS was so poor compared with Englands NHS despite having a higherbudget per person - all those senior managers being ever SO responsible for loads of money just like FTSE chief execs (yeah right) The point I wish to make is that 22 authorities for Wales is ruddy ludicrous - lets not forget the criticisms are emanating from the WLGA - the Welsh Local Government association is only a trade union for the £100k brigade in councils and they must be horrified at all their poor boyos losing their cushy jobs and of course 8 loads of subscriptions instead of 22 (paid for by us, the tax payer) won't help their plans either. All I hope is that these ppl who lose their jobs will merely get the state minimum for redundancy - I don't want to hear that BPJ had had a half million payout and THEN hear he's walked into a similar job somewhere else - even worse still be a dictator but this time for Ceredigion as well as Pembs - a VERY sad day for local Democracy in Ceredigion Tttoommy
  • Score: -13

12:13pm Wed 22 Jan 14

mayday says...

If PCC were charging the mid-point Council Tax instead of the lowest in Wales would they be struggling to deliver the services requested by the Council Tax paying population? Would the same merger conclusion be reached if Pembrokeshire's finances were properly managed? Could shared services be expanded to include the CEO of Ceridigion and BJP removed from the payroll?
If PCC were charging the mid-point Council Tax instead of the lowest in Wales would they be struggling to deliver the services requested by the Council Tax paying population? Would the same merger conclusion be reached if Pembrokeshire's finances were properly managed? Could shared services be expanded to include the CEO of Ceridigion and BJP removed from the payroll? mayday
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6:40pm Wed 22 Jan 14

dave-javu says...

Bluestone wrote:
And let's not forget that a Pembs/Cards merger will result in a 9% increase in Council Tax for Pembs residents according to the report, with an horrendous 18.5% increase if they shoehorn Pembs and Ceredigion in with Carmarthenshire. It will be a super Dyfed, which is exactly what Cardiff have been trying to engineer for years!
Let's also not forget that those figures could be lower, if you were to pay back the £1.75 million that you owe the Council Tax payers of Pembrokeshire.
[quote][p][bold]Bluestone[/bold] wrote: And let's not forget that a Pembs/Cards merger will result in a 9% increase in Council Tax for Pembs residents according to the report, with an horrendous 18.5% increase if they shoehorn Pembs and Ceredigion in with Carmarthenshire. It will be a super Dyfed, which is exactly what Cardiff have been trying to engineer for years![/p][/quote]Let's also not forget that those figures could be lower, if you were to pay back the £1.75 million that you owe the Council Tax payers of Pembrokeshire. dave-javu
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7:18pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Bluestone says...

dave-javu wrote:
Bluestone wrote:
And let's not forget that a Pembs/Cards merger will result in a 9% increase in Council Tax for Pembs residents according to the report, with an horrendous 18.5% increase if they shoehorn Pembs and Ceredigion in with Carmarthenshire. It will be a super Dyfed, which is exactly what Cardiff have been trying to engineer for years!
Let's also not forget that those figures could be lower, if you were to pay back the £1.75 million that you owe the Council Tax payers of Pembrokeshire.
Don't kid yourself, it won't happen. It is quite clear that Pembrokeshire is being marginalised, you have only got to see what is happening to our so called health service to see that. Welcome back Dyfed!!
[quote][p][bold]dave-javu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bluestone[/bold] wrote: And let's not forget that a Pembs/Cards merger will result in a 9% increase in Council Tax for Pembs residents according to the report, with an horrendous 18.5% increase if they shoehorn Pembs and Ceredigion in with Carmarthenshire. It will be a super Dyfed, which is exactly what Cardiff have been trying to engineer for years![/p][/quote]Let's also not forget that those figures could be lower, if you were to pay back the £1.75 million that you owe the Council Tax payers of Pembrokeshire.[/p][/quote]Don't kid yourself, it won't happen. It is quite clear that Pembrokeshire is being marginalised, you have only got to see what is happening to our so called health service to see that. Welcome back Dyfed!! Bluestone
  • Score: 6

4:00pm Thu 23 Jan 14

teifion says...

Bluestone wrote:
And let's not forget that a Pembs/Cards merger will result in a 9% increase in Council Tax for Pembs residents according to the report, with an horrendous 18.5% increase if they shoehorn Pembs and Ceredigion in with Carmarthenshire. It will be a super Dyfed, which is exactly what Cardiff have been trying to engineer for years!
What complete and utter balderdash - straight from Bluestone - how many more million do you want from Pembs. tax payers so that the councillors can be guaranteed a cheap Xmas party?
[quote][p][bold]Bluestone[/bold] wrote: And let's not forget that a Pembs/Cards merger will result in a 9% increase in Council Tax for Pembs residents according to the report, with an horrendous 18.5% increase if they shoehorn Pembs and Ceredigion in with Carmarthenshire. It will be a super Dyfed, which is exactly what Cardiff have been trying to engineer for years![/p][/quote]What complete and utter balderdash - straight from Bluestone - how many more million do you want from Pembs. tax payers so that the councillors can be guaranteed a cheap Xmas party? teifion
  • Score: -7

5:37pm Thu 23 Jan 14

teifion says...

neil p wrote:
Hmm, just a shame Cornwall isn't a little closer !
Can we claim political asylum due to the undoubted subjugation that will ensue when the Cardies enforce their (very) tight fisted wrath against us foreign non- believers of the Welsh language.
One of the justifications of BPJs salary is that the council operates just like any other FTSE business and he's in charge of a HUGE pot of dosh - forgetting, there's no competiton, we have to hand our money to them or go to jail (never heard of someone refusing to go to Lidls being jailed) and that Central Gov. basically tells them where to spend 95% of the money they get. i.e IMHO his jobs a purchase clerke
I personally would be a LOT happier IF we could chose which council to hand my money too - whether it's Cornwall or Cheshire or wherever - what's that council that has reduced council tax every year for the last 5 years - now THAT's COMPETITION for my money:)
PS There's no point in having the allegedly lowest taxes IF we then have to pay LOADS'A'MONEY extra for parking or have higher fines whilst Pembs town centres and tourist centres die under this leadership
[quote][p][bold]neil p[/bold] wrote: Hmm, just a shame Cornwall isn't a little closer ! Can we claim political asylum due to the undoubted subjugation that will ensue when the Cardies enforce their (very) tight fisted wrath against us foreign non- believers of the Welsh language.[/p][/quote]One of the justifications of BPJs salary is that the council operates just like any other FTSE business and he's in charge of a HUGE pot of dosh - forgetting, there's no competiton, we have to hand our money to them or go to jail (never heard of someone refusing to go to Lidls being jailed) and that Central Gov. basically tells them where to spend 95% of the money they get. i.e IMHO his jobs a purchase clerke I personally would be a LOT happier IF we could chose which council to hand my money too - whether it's Cornwall or Cheshire or wherever - what's that council that has reduced council tax every year for the last 5 years - now THAT's COMPETITION for my money:) PS There's no point in having the allegedly lowest taxes IF we then have to pay LOADS'A'MONEY extra for parking or have higher fines whilst Pembs town centres and tourist centres die under this leadership teifion
  • Score: -6

9:19am Fri 24 Jan 14

Bluestone says...

teifion wrote:
Bluestone wrote:
And let's not forget that a Pembs/Cards merger will result in a 9% increase in Council Tax for Pembs residents according to the report, with an horrendous 18.5% increase if they shoehorn Pembs and Ceredigion in with Carmarthenshire. It will be a super Dyfed, which is exactly what Cardiff have been trying to engineer for years!
What complete and utter balderdash - straight from Bluestone - how many more million do you want from Pembs. tax payers so that the councillors can be guaranteed a cheap Xmas party?
Teifion, the figures are not mine, but are taken from the full Williams Commission Report, Annex H, pages 320 to 322 if you would care to check the facts.
[quote][p][bold]teifion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bluestone[/bold] wrote: And let's not forget that a Pembs/Cards merger will result in a 9% increase in Council Tax for Pembs residents according to the report, with an horrendous 18.5% increase if they shoehorn Pembs and Ceredigion in with Carmarthenshire. It will be a super Dyfed, which is exactly what Cardiff have been trying to engineer for years![/p][/quote]What complete and utter balderdash - straight from Bluestone - how many more million do you want from Pembs. tax payers so that the councillors can be guaranteed a cheap Xmas party?[/p][/quote]Teifion, the figures are not mine, but are taken from the full Williams Commission Report, Annex H, pages 320 to 322 if you would care to check the facts. Bluestone
  • Score: 6

11:32pm Fri 24 Jan 14

gazza973 says...

Haven't we been here before ??
Haven't we been here before ?? gazza973
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