Pembrokeshire County Council chief executive survives vote of no confidence

Milford Mercury: Pembrokeshire County Council chief executive survives vote of no confidence Pembrokeshire County Council chief executive survives vote of no confidence

Pembrokeshire County Council chief executive Bryn Parry-Jones has survived a vote of no confidence at County Hall this afternoon.

After a lengthy debate following a series of notices of motion, councillors went to the vote.

Fourteen notices of no confidence had been submitted by separate councillors and had the chance to say why they felt it had been necessary to put them forward.


Cllr Bob Kilmister spoke first, he said that Mr Parry-Jones pay package was £65,000 more than the First Minister and "we should expect something very, very special. Instead we've had four years of major problems which have all been handled very badly".


He referenced the two failed judicial reviews relating to care home charges in 2010 and 2011, damning CSSIW and Estyn reports into child safeguarding and education in 2011 and the subsequent introduction of a ministerial board.

The motions had been put forward following the 'unlawful' pensions scandal that has rocked County Hall over recent months.


Of the controversial pension payments Cllr Kilmister said: "Even if legally it's right there's absolutely no doubt it's ethically wrong."


Cllr Tony Wilcox said the council was "stumbling from crisis to crisis" and there was an "air of arrogance".


Cllr Viv Stoddart added: "This council's reputation is in tatters, it's been on a downward spiral almost as long as I have been on the council and for all this time Bryn Parry-Jones has been chief officer of this council."


Council leader Cllr Jamie Adams said the reports by external bodies did not identify any individual in senior management in its criticisms but added that the chief executive had been named in an Estyn report for the way he had "responded and been involved in terms of making difficult decisions that were needed to move the authority forward".


He also said the chief executive had brought business investment to the county.


Cllr Sue Perkins said she believed the period when the safeguarding reports had been the worst time for the council but things were much improved.


She said she had voted against the chief executive in the past and he is "not my most favourite person" but now was not the time to "move someone out".

Twenty three members voted for the motion of no confidence, 30 against and there were five abstentions.

Former county council leader John Davies, who was in charge when the controversial pension arrangements were approved, abstained during the vote.

 

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4:12pm Thu 6 Mar 14

ladybench says...

HELP
HELP ladybench
  • Score: 21

4:15pm Thu 6 Mar 14

bravo567 says...

All Councillors who voted against the no confidence vote or abstained should be named and shamed.
Everyone has been watching this debacle and relying on the integrity and honesty of the majority of Councillors to do the right thing - obviously misplaced trust by us the people they represent. we all know what to do in the next elections to change this.
All Councillors who voted against the no confidence vote or abstained should be named and shamed. Everyone has been watching this debacle and relying on the integrity and honesty of the majority of Councillors to do the right thing - obviously misplaced trust by us the people they represent. we all know what to do in the next elections to change this. bravo567
  • Score: 49

4:26pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Justiceforall says...

It cannot be made any clearer by the electorate, they have no confidence in the CEO, why is he still in office? Is it because most of our representatives are self serving and have no regard for the wishes or interests of Pembrokeshire people.
It cannot be made any clearer by the electorate, they have no confidence in the CEO, why is he still in office? Is it because most of our representatives are self serving and have no regard for the wishes or interests of Pembrokeshire people. Justiceforall
  • Score: 41

4:29pm Thu 6 Mar 14

sammychips says...

Well we knew that was going to happen,the little minnows in the big pond are to scared to get together and fight the Great White Shark called BJP and we end up with useless Sludge in the Cess pit We call PEMBS COUNTY COUNCIL, Well done to all of you who had the Balls to vote correctly and to rest of you ,well i won't be wasting a vote on you useless bunch of !!!!!!!!
Well we knew that was going to happen,the little minnows in the big pond are to scared to get together and fight the Great White Shark called BJP and we end up with useless Sludge in the Cess pit We call PEMBS COUNTY COUNCIL, Well done to all of you who had the Balls to vote correctly and to rest of you ,well i won't be wasting a vote on you useless bunch of !!!!!!!! sammychips
  • Score: 37

4:31pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Electra1 says...

Did we expect anything different?
Did we expect anything different? Electra1
  • Score: 32

4:39pm Thu 6 Mar 14

quentin says...

Electra1 wrote:
Did we expect anything different?
Not really, but since the ruling clique have lost the confidence of virtually everyone including the Welsh Assembly this cannot be the end of the matter. All they have done is delayed the inevitable.
[quote][p][bold]Electra1[/bold] wrote: Did we expect anything different?[/p][/quote]Not really, but since the ruling clique have lost the confidence of virtually everyone including the Welsh Assembly this cannot be the end of the matter. All they have done is delayed the inevitable. quentin
  • Score: 36

4:42pm Thu 6 Mar 14

SM1968 says...

Pigs and trough, there are 30 then that need to go, disgusting individuals
Pigs and trough, there are 30 then that need to go, disgusting individuals SM1968
  • Score: 32

4:43pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Justiceforall says...

This is another kick in the teeth for the People of Pembrokeshire, this Council sickens me.
This is another kick in the teeth for the People of Pembrokeshire, this Council sickens me. Justiceforall
  • Score: 30

4:58pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

I was taught to be cautious BUT I have to say I'm so disappointed in the masons and their ladies voting en bloc - sometimes decency and doing the right thing is MORE important than looking after your fellow masons back.

I'd like to remind those 30 who voted to keep Bryn in place that they were voted into their place of influence by their fellow citizens to represent them NOT as a chance to "fill your boots"
I was taught to be cautious BUT I have to say I'm so disappointed in the masons and their ladies voting en bloc - sometimes decency and doing the right thing is MORE important than looking after your fellow masons back. I'd like to remind those 30 who voted to keep Bryn in place that they were voted into their place of influence by their fellow citizens to represent them NOT as a chance to "fill your boots" Tttoommy
  • Score: 32

5:06pm Thu 6 Mar 14

SM1968 says...

As above your supposed to be representing the people, not sucking up to this disgusting shower of amateurs playing at being politicians, i hope the WT had the decency to print the names if the 30 traitors so come election the populous can kick them into touch. Further lets hope the Unions and the police can wipe that sickening grin of the faces of Mr BPJ and Adams, POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!;
As above your supposed to be representing the people, not sucking up to this disgusting shower of amateurs playing at being politicians, i hope the WT had the decency to print the names if the 30 traitors so come election the populous can kick them into touch. Further lets hope the Unions and the police can wipe that sickening grin of the faces of Mr BPJ and Adams, POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!; SM1968
  • Score: 28

5:41pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Seymour Clearly says...

I think most of us believed the crony clique would win the day. However,with a vote of 23 to 30 we are edging ever closer.
The thick skinned Mr. Bryn Parry Jones will plod along in his ivory tower believing he is infallible,but he is treading a slippery slope.

WE MAY HAVE LOST THE BATTLE BUT WE WILL WIN THE WAR
I think most of us believed the crony clique would win the day. However,with a vote of 23 to 30 we are edging ever closer. The thick skinned Mr. Bryn Parry Jones will plod along in his ivory tower believing he is infallible,but he is treading a slippery slope. WE MAY HAVE LOST THE BATTLE BUT WE WILL WIN THE WAR Seymour Clearly
  • Score: 27

5:44pm Thu 6 Mar 14

ukwoody says...

I agree, name and shame those who voted for him. They have no respect for the wishes of their electorate who want BJP gone. The leader of the council should go as well.
I agree, name and shame those who voted for him. They have no respect for the wishes of their electorate who want BJP gone. The leader of the council should go as well. ukwoody
  • Score: 29

6:03pm Thu 6 Mar 14

hardcheese says...

Now is the time to create a new party to stand for the next election. I am sure there are a least 60 people in Pembrokeshire who would give their services FREE to represent the people of Pembrokeshire in the constituencies. I am sure the people of Pembrokeshire would give us the backing. It's time to get rid of the the whole GREEDY lot of them and that includes BPJ. Lets be the first council in the UK who have 60 Councillors who will change the system. How many councillors after been elected, knock on you door to ask if you are happy with the way the council is operating..THE ANSWER IS NONE.
Now is the time to create a new party to stand for the next election. I am sure there are a least 60 people in Pembrokeshire who would give their services FREE to represent the people of Pembrokeshire in the constituencies. I am sure the people of Pembrokeshire would give us the backing. It's time to get rid of the the whole GREEDY lot of them and that includes BPJ. Lets be the first council in the UK who have 60 Councillors who will change the system. How many councillors after been elected, knock on you door to ask if you are happy with the way the council is operating..THE ANSWER IS NONE. hardcheese
  • Score: 35

6:06pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Seymour Clearly says...

Did Jamie Adams vote,as he gave his total support for the C.E. in the oress and therefore should not have been allowed to vote
Did Jamie Adams vote,as he gave his total support for the C.E. in the oress and therefore should not have been allowed to vote Seymour Clearly
  • Score: 23

6:14pm Thu 6 Mar 14

chizy says...

Sleaze, sleaze and yet more sleaze.

Keep focused Pembrokeshire, this ain't over yet.................
..

Time to clear the trough
Sleaze, sleaze and yet more sleaze. Keep focused Pembrokeshire, this ain't over yet................. .. Time to clear the trough chizy
  • Score: 23

6:16pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Electra1 says...

Did they vote for him of their own volition or were they made to I wonder?
Did they vote for him of their own volition or were they made to I wonder? Electra1
  • Score: 16

6:20pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Jonathan Nutting says...

There is a new party. I am a member. We are the only group with published policies that are for pembrokeshire and it's future. In the next week we will have our web site up. We are the Pembrokeshire alliance. We listen and we will bring about the changes this county needs. I am proud of my county and I dispair at the destruction being wrecked upon it.

Like all bad times it will end. I like many had hoped this would have happened before the next election. Look out for our web site. If you care then join us and give us the strength to bring about the changes we all want. Our aim is to put a candidate up in every ward. Never again will there be anyone entering PCC without a vote cast. The days of the IPPG are numbered.
There is a new party. I am a member. We are the only group with published policies that are for pembrokeshire and it's future. In the next week we will have our web site up. We are the Pembrokeshire alliance. We listen and we will bring about the changes this county needs. I am proud of my county and I dispair at the destruction being wrecked upon it. Like all bad times it will end. I like many had hoped this would have happened before the next election. Look out for our web site. If you care then join us and give us the strength to bring about the changes we all want. Our aim is to put a candidate up in every ward. Never again will there be anyone entering PCC without a vote cast. The days of the IPPG are numbered. Jonathan Nutting
  • Score: 26

6:30pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Justiceforall says...

Jonathan Nutting wrote:
There is a new party. I am a member. We are the only group with published policies that are for pembrokeshire and it's future. In the next week we will have our web site up. We are the Pembrokeshire alliance. We listen and we will bring about the changes this county needs. I am proud of my county and I dispair at the destruction being wrecked upon it.

Like all bad times it will end. I like many had hoped this would have happened before the next election. Look out for our web site. If you care then join us and give us the strength to bring about the changes we all want. Our aim is to put a candidate up in every ward. Never again will there be anyone entering PCC without a vote cast. The days of the IPPG are numbered.
Count me in :)
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Nutting[/bold] wrote: There is a new party. I am a member. We are the only group with published policies that are for pembrokeshire and it's future. In the next week we will have our web site up. We are the Pembrokeshire alliance. We listen and we will bring about the changes this county needs. I am proud of my county and I dispair at the destruction being wrecked upon it. Like all bad times it will end. I like many had hoped this would have happened before the next election. Look out for our web site. If you care then join us and give us the strength to bring about the changes we all want. Our aim is to put a candidate up in every ward. Never again will there be anyone entering PCC without a vote cast. The days of the IPPG are numbered.[/p][/quote]Count me in :) Justiceforall
  • Score: 11

6:44pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Justiceforall says...

If we can create a new party to stand in the next election. I would volunteer to be a Milford Haven representative free of charge to help the people of Pembrokeshire. Lets get the website organised and get rid of at least 35 of this shower.
If we can create a new party to stand in the next election. I would volunteer to be a Milford Haven representative free of charge to help the people of Pembrokeshire. Lets get the website organised and get rid of at least 35 of this shower. Justiceforall
  • Score: 16

6:51pm Thu 6 Mar 14

South of the Landsker says...

In answer to a number of comments above, there was a recorded vote for all three 'No confidence motions' so everybody will be able to see how their County Councillor voted.

I look forward to seeing Pembrokeshire Alliance candidates in all wards, people need a choice, no more uncontested seats, but 2017 is a long way off.
In answer to a number of comments above, there was a recorded vote for all three 'No confidence motions' so everybody will be able to see how their County Councillor voted. I look forward to seeing Pembrokeshire Alliance candidates in all wards, people need a choice, no more uncontested seats, but 2017 is a long way off. South of the Landsker
  • Score: 17

6:52pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Kate Becton says...

I am very new to posting comments on the web; however the novelty is wearing off - looking at the comments that have been posted so far the only identifiable one is Cllr. Nutting - how anyone can post comments under the 'Justiceforall' without identifying themselves is inexplicable - I certainly would not want them to be representing me in any situation. If you cannot put your money where your mouth is just don't do it. All this talk about openness and transparency is a total myth - at least the Councillors who supported Mr. Parry -Jones stood up and did so; as did the Councillors who opposed him.

I simply do not understand the mindset of people who post opinions - sometimes very virulent opinions - and do not wish to own those opinions.

The vote has been cast - perhaps Pembrokeshire can now go to concentrate on our Education, Social Care etc., which I am sure that Councillors will do.
I am very new to posting comments on the web; however the novelty is wearing off - looking at the comments that have been posted so far the only identifiable one is Cllr. Nutting - how anyone can post comments under the 'Justiceforall' without identifying themselves is inexplicable - I certainly would not want them to be representing me in any situation. If you cannot put your money where your mouth is just don't do it. All this talk about openness and transparency is a total myth - at least the Councillors who supported Mr. Parry -Jones stood up and did so; as did the Councillors who opposed him. I simply do not understand the mindset of people who post opinions - sometimes very virulent opinions - and do not wish to own those opinions. The vote has been cast - perhaps Pembrokeshire can now go to concentrate on our Education, Social Care etc., which I am sure that Councillors will do. Kate Becton
  • Score: -39

7:12pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Indepedant says...

Kate Becton....people are scared to identify themselves as speaking negatively (and/or truthfully) of PCC in public could have a very negative impact on their livelihoods. It's not rocket science and I have personal experience of it.
Kate Becton....people are scared to identify themselves as speaking negatively (and/or truthfully) of PCC in public could have a very negative impact on their livelihoods. It's not rocket science and I have personal experience of it. Indepedant
  • Score: 27

7:28pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Seymour Clearly says...

I totally disagree with you Kate Becton.It doesn't matter what name you write under.If a post is found to be slanderous or libellous the offender can be detected
Furthermore if you are not happy with a post for any reason you can report iit,and if you disagree with a post you canalso give it the thumbs down----watch this space.
Most of the comments reflect the feeling of frustration of the contributors,and if you read all that has been written and spoken by all the councillors Q.C. and anybody with a vested interest,you have to understand that frustration.
Finally the vote may have been cast,but the sorry saga is not ended.
WE WILL WIN THE DAY
I totally disagree with you Kate Becton.It doesn't matter what name you write under.If a post is found to be slanderous or libellous the offender can be detected Furthermore if you are not happy with a post for any reason you can report iit,and if you disagree with a post you canalso give it the thumbs down----watch this space. Most of the comments reflect the feeling of frustration of the contributors,and if you read all that has been written and spoken by all the councillors Q.C. and anybody with a vested interest,you have to understand that frustration. Finally the vote may have been cast,but the sorry saga is not ended. WE WILL WIN THE DAY Seymour Clearly
  • Score: 20

7:45pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Samsungs says...

Oh shocker!! Not!!
Oh shocker!! Not!! Samsungs
  • Score: 8

7:48pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Kate Becton says...

I am not suggesting that comments are libellous but , try as I might, I still cannot get past the fact that I feel that individuals who will not put their name to their opinion are misguided - how on earth would you be expected to be taken seriously.

On the other hand, it may be because the contributors are members of staff at PCC - after all one in seven of our working population are, in which case I can see your point.

In the meantime, can we all press our Council to do as much as they can to help the workers at Mustang Marine who have lost their jobs - what a dreadful situation to be in.
I am not suggesting that comments are libellous but , try as I might, I still cannot get past the fact that I feel that individuals who will not put their name to their opinion are misguided - how on earth would you be expected to be taken seriously. On the other hand, it may be because the contributors are members of staff at PCC - after all one in seven of our working population are, in which case I can see your point. In the meantime, can we all press our Council to do as much as they can to help the workers at Mustang Marine who have lost their jobs - what a dreadful situation to be in. Kate Becton
  • Score: -6

7:59pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Seymour Clearly says...

Kate Becton,
Please just read the comments and decide whether you agree with them or not..Form your own judgement..The name is not as important as the content
Kate Becton, Please just read the comments and decide whether you agree with them or not..Form your own judgement..The name is not as important as the content Seymour Clearly
  • Score: 14

8:06pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

I recall a similar situation happened in the South East of England - I don't want to be libellous so not mention the area, the Chief Exec retired with half a mill, the council leader who had supported his Chief Exec - pay the most/get the best became an MP (for the Tory Party) and then started using the same sort of comments - pigs at the trough, should NOT be paid more than Prime Minister Cameron - like every one else.

My point which I'm getting to is that the Council was found guilty of using anti-terror Laws to spy on those ppl who had complained about the Chief Exec - I used my name here some months ago and I then got a couple of letters from the Council - one re the dangers of lying (I live alone and claim a single persons discount on my "rates" ) I also got a letter from the Council that they'd be a special pick up of my refuse (not the bin lorry) for evaluation

OK, call me paranoid :)
I recall a similar situation happened in the South East of England - I don't want to be libellous so not mention the area, the Chief Exec retired with half a mill, the council leader who had supported his Chief Exec - pay the most/get the best became an MP (for the Tory Party) and then started using the same sort of comments - pigs at the trough, should NOT be paid more than Prime Minister Cameron - like every one else. My point which I'm getting to is that the Council was found guilty of using anti-terror Laws to spy on those ppl who had complained about the Chief Exec - I used my name here some months ago and I then got a couple of letters from the Council - one re the dangers of lying (I live alone and claim a single persons discount on my "rates" ) I also got a letter from the Council that they'd be a special pick up of my refuse (not the bin lorry) for evaluation OK, call me paranoid :) Tttoommy
  • Score: 21

8:09pm Thu 6 Mar 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

Kate Becton wrote:
I am very new to posting comments on the web; however the novelty is wearing off - looking at the comments that have been posted so far the only identifiable one is Cllr. Nutting - how anyone can post comments under the 'Justiceforall' without identifying themselves is inexplicable - I certainly would not want them to be representing me in any situation. If you cannot put your money where your mouth is just don't do it. All this talk about openness and transparency is a total myth - at least the Councillors who supported Mr. Parry -Jones stood up and did so; as did the Councillors who opposed him.

I simply do not understand the mindset of people who post opinions - sometimes very virulent opinions - and do not wish to own those opinions.

The vote has been cast - perhaps Pembrokeshire can now go to concentrate on our Education, Social Care etc., which I am sure that Councillors will do.
Kate

Pembrokeshire is a small, small place and the people in and around the council hold so much sway that it would be professional suicide to openly put forward such views as can be done on here. If anonymity means being able to continue to feed my family then I am happy to stay in the shadows, as such. That we feel this way makes the situation even sadder. We are forced to hide our identities, as far as one can, for fear of reprisals. I am sure that the governments of North Korea and the Peoples Republic of China could learn a thing from this lot.

We vote for those who decide they are prepared to put their head above the parapet to speak for us, as you used to. When they let us down, what are we to do.

I am sure that there are many, many people in Pembrokeshire who are even to afraid to post on here for fear of loss of a job or work for themselves or a family member. Such is the grip of the council and its wider tentacles. This is how they get away with it and continue to get away with it. They have absolute power and their network is wide and deep.

If posting here helps others see that public dissent against the powers that be is possible and might make a difference then I will continue to do so, albeit incognito.
[quote][p][bold]Kate Becton[/bold] wrote: I am very new to posting comments on the web; however the novelty is wearing off - looking at the comments that have been posted so far the only identifiable one is Cllr. Nutting - how anyone can post comments under the 'Justiceforall' without identifying themselves is inexplicable - I certainly would not want them to be representing me in any situation. If you cannot put your money where your mouth is just don't do it. All this talk about openness and transparency is a total myth - at least the Councillors who supported Mr. Parry -Jones stood up and did so; as did the Councillors who opposed him. I simply do not understand the mindset of people who post opinions - sometimes very virulent opinions - and do not wish to own those opinions. The vote has been cast - perhaps Pembrokeshire can now go to concentrate on our Education, Social Care etc., which I am sure that Councillors will do.[/p][/quote]Kate Pembrokeshire is a small, small place and the people in and around the council hold so much sway that it would be professional suicide to openly put forward such views as can be done on here. If anonymity means being able to continue to feed my family then I am happy to stay in the shadows, as such. That we feel this way makes the situation even sadder. We are forced to hide our identities, as far as one can, for fear of reprisals. I am sure that the governments of North Korea and the Peoples Republic of China could learn a thing from this lot. We vote for those who decide they are prepared to put their head above the parapet to speak for us, as you used to. When they let us down, what are we to do. I am sure that there are many, many people in Pembrokeshire who are even to afraid to post on here for fear of loss of a job or work for themselves or a family member. Such is the grip of the council and its wider tentacles. This is how they get away with it and continue to get away with it. They have absolute power and their network is wide and deep. If posting here helps others see that public dissent against the powers that be is possible and might make a difference then I will continue to do so, albeit incognito. PembrokeshireMan
  • Score: 33

8:39pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

Kate Becton wrote:
I am not suggesting that comments are libellous but , try as I might, I still cannot get past the fact that I feel that individuals who will not put their name to their opinion are misguided - how on earth would you be expected to be taken seriously.

On the other hand, it may be because the contributors are members of staff at PCC - after all one in seven of our working population are, in which case I can see your point.

In the meantime, can we all press our Council to do as much as they can to help the workers at Mustang Marine who have lost their jobs - what a dreadful situation to be in.
Don't you think it it's because we are a little bit scared of our (public) servants - dreadful indictment of how democracy works in Wales :(
[quote][p][bold]Kate Becton[/bold] wrote: I am not suggesting that comments are libellous but , try as I might, I still cannot get past the fact that I feel that individuals who will not put their name to their opinion are misguided - how on earth would you be expected to be taken seriously. On the other hand, it may be because the contributors are members of staff at PCC - after all one in seven of our working population are, in which case I can see your point. In the meantime, can we all press our Council to do as much as they can to help the workers at Mustang Marine who have lost their jobs - what a dreadful situation to be in.[/p][/quote]Don't you think it it's because we are a little bit scared of our (public) servants - dreadful indictment of how democracy works in Wales :( Tttoommy
  • Score: 22

8:55pm Thu 6 Mar 14

princes gate says...

do turkeys vote for xmas? all the cabinet stooges voted against the motion. a few lackeys i.e the likes of wyn evans of narberth who are hoping for a few crumbs from the top table todrop in their laps.
do turkeys vote for xmas? all the cabinet stooges voted against the motion. a few lackeys i.e the likes of wyn evans of narberth who are hoping for a few crumbs from the top table todrop in their laps. princes gate
  • Score: 11

9:13pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Rockface says...

Kate Becton wrote:
I am not suggesting that comments are libellous but , try as I might, I still cannot get past the fact that I feel that individuals who will not put their name to their opinion are misguided - how on earth would you be expected to be taken seriously.

On the other hand, it may be because the contributors are members of staff at PCC - after all one in seven of our working population are, in which case I can see your point.

In the meantime, can we all press our Council to do as much as they can to help the workers at Mustang Marine who have lost their jobs - what a dreadful situation to be in.
That's why I call myself Rockface!
[quote][p][bold]Kate Becton[/bold] wrote: I am not suggesting that comments are libellous but , try as I might, I still cannot get past the fact that I feel that individuals who will not put their name to their opinion are misguided - how on earth would you be expected to be taken seriously. On the other hand, it may be because the contributors are members of staff at PCC - after all one in seven of our working population are, in which case I can see your point. In the meantime, can we all press our Council to do as much as they can to help the workers at Mustang Marine who have lost their jobs - what a dreadful situation to be in.[/p][/quote]That's why I call myself Rockface! Rockface
  • Score: 12

9:23pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Eckysense says...

Webcasting council meetings has proved a great asset for the electorate. If you listen very carefully you can hear your councillors name being called out and how they vote on a particular motion. This makes the whole process much easier in deciding who to vote for in the next round of councillor elections. Our day of democracy cometh,,,,,,,,,,perh
aps?
Webcasting council meetings has proved a great asset for the electorate. If you listen very carefully you can hear your councillors name being called out and how they vote on a particular motion. This makes the whole process much easier in deciding who to vote for in the next round of councillor elections. Our day of democracy cometh,,,,,,,,,,perh aps? Eckysense
  • Score: 13

9:27pm Thu 6 Mar 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

Kate Becton wrote:
I am not suggesting that comments are libellous but , try as I might, I still cannot get past the fact that I feel that individuals who will not put their name to their opinion are misguided - how on earth would you be expected to be taken seriously.

On the other hand, it may be because the contributors are members of staff at PCC - after all one in seven of our working population are, in which case I can see your point.

In the meantime, can we all press our Council to do as much as they can to help the workers at Mustang Marine who have lost their jobs - what a dreadful situation to be in.
Then again, how do we really know that you are the real Kate Becton?

Such is the world we live in these days. Nothing can be taken at face value.

They used 1984 as a manual.

Doublespeak is the new norm and we are still at war with East Asia.
[quote][p][bold]Kate Becton[/bold] wrote: I am not suggesting that comments are libellous but , try as I might, I still cannot get past the fact that I feel that individuals who will not put their name to their opinion are misguided - how on earth would you be expected to be taken seriously. On the other hand, it may be because the contributors are members of staff at PCC - after all one in seven of our working population are, in which case I can see your point. In the meantime, can we all press our Council to do as much as they can to help the workers at Mustang Marine who have lost their jobs - what a dreadful situation to be in.[/p][/quote]Then again, how do we really know that you are the real Kate Becton? Such is the world we live in these days. Nothing can be taken at face value. They used 1984 as a manual. Doublespeak is the new norm and we are still at war with East Asia. PembrokeshireMan
  • Score: 10

9:38pm Thu 6 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

Kate Becton wrote:
I am not suggesting that comments are libellous but , try as I might, I still cannot get past the fact that I feel that individuals who will not put their name to their opinion are misguided - how on earth would you be expected to be taken seriously.

On the other hand, it may be because the contributors are members of staff at PCC - after all one in seven of our working population are, in which case I can see your point.

In the meantime, can we all press our Council to do as much as they can to help the workers at Mustang Marine who have lost their jobs - what a dreadful situation to be in.
I am not a native of Pembrokeshire but love the county and the people, but not the set up at the council.Today I watched the debate and could not believe that such a travisity against democracy took place, I am disgusted with all the information provided that some councillors abstained from voting have they no opinion either way.Jamie Adams spoke very elequontly and persuasively obviously members of the council were swayed by him to go against the will of the majority of Pembrokeshire people,this is not a political issue it is democratic issue.Come on Welsh Assembly and make your opinions known.sooner rather than later.
[quote][p][bold]Kate Becton[/bold] wrote: I am not suggesting that comments are libellous but , try as I might, I still cannot get past the fact that I feel that individuals who will not put their name to their opinion are misguided - how on earth would you be expected to be taken seriously. On the other hand, it may be because the contributors are members of staff at PCC - after all one in seven of our working population are, in which case I can see your point. In the meantime, can we all press our Council to do as much as they can to help the workers at Mustang Marine who have lost their jobs - what a dreadful situation to be in.[/p][/quote]I am not a native of Pembrokeshire but love the county and the people, but not the set up at the council.Today I watched the debate and could not believe that such a travisity against democracy took place, I am disgusted with all the information provided that some councillors abstained from voting have they no opinion either way.Jamie Adams spoke very elequontly and persuasively obviously members of the council were swayed by him to go against the will of the majority of Pembrokeshire people,this is not a political issue it is democratic issue.Come on Welsh Assembly and make your opinions known.sooner rather than later. seaveiw
  • Score: 10

9:44pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Kate Becton says...

I am grateful for your replies to my comments and find myself appalled at the level of fear inspired at the very organisation that is supposed to represent every person in Pembrokeshire, without fear or favour.

I fear that I have been very naive about the sort of actions that PCC would carry out if subject to any sort of adverse comments, judging from your comments.

I suppose that I have been very fortunate; I've never felt that I have anything to lose - I am beginning to realise that is not a luxury that everyone can afford.

However I still feel that the vote has been taken and, if we believe in the democratic process we have to accept the result and, frankly if we believe that the people of Pembrokeshire (which will,for better or worse not exist by 2017) will remember we limited number or political keeks are mistaken.

Onwards and upwards.
I am grateful for your replies to my comments and find myself appalled at the level of fear inspired at the very organisation that is supposed to represent every person in Pembrokeshire, without fear or favour. I fear that I have been very naive about the sort of actions that PCC would carry out if subject to any sort of adverse comments, judging from your comments. I suppose that I have been very fortunate; I've never felt that I have anything to lose - I am beginning to realise that is not a luxury that everyone can afford. However I still feel that the vote has been taken and, if we believe in the democratic process we have to accept the result and, frankly if we believe that the people of Pembrokeshire (which will,for better or worse not exist by 2017) will remember we limited number or political keeks are mistaken. Onwards and upwards. Kate Becton
  • Score: -10

9:49pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Kate Becton says...

Pembrokeshireman - I promise you that I am not the unreal Kate Becton - if you wish me to supply an address and telephone number - I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours.!
Pembrokeshireman - I promise you that I am not the unreal Kate Becton - if you wish me to supply an address and telephone number - I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours.! Kate Becton
  • Score: -2

10:06pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Neyland Boy says...

The people who voted against the motion should hang their heads in shame as they clearly do not represent the voice of the constituents who elected them.
I heard a comment on BBC radio from a council spokesperson that" lessons had been learned", the only lesson that they had learned was to more careful how to hide their ill gotten gains from public scrutiny.
BJP is the highest chief exec in Wales on a salary of £190,000 that equates to 190,000 home owners paying their council tax just to support this self serving greedy individual who lives in an alter universe to the rest of the council staff.
The people who voted against the motion should hang their heads in shame as they clearly do not represent the voice of the constituents who elected them. I heard a comment on BBC radio from a council spokesperson that" lessons had been learned", the only lesson that they had learned was to more careful how to hide their ill gotten gains from public scrutiny. BJP is the highest chief exec in Wales on a salary of £190,000 that equates to 190,000 home owners paying their council tax just to support this self serving greedy individual who lives in an alter universe to the rest of the council staff. Neyland Boy
  • Score: 22

10:12pm Thu 6 Mar 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

Kate Becton wrote:
Pembrokeshireman - I promise you that I am not the unreal Kate Becton - if you wish me to supply an address and telephone number - I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours.!
I don't doubt that it is the real you but, as you say, if you've got nothing to lose you've got nothing to fear.

Have you never wondered why there are so few women in the top jobs in Pembrokeshire in either the public or the private sector or how the same families manage to wangle decent jobs despite a lack of any intelligence or discernible skills?

The poorest in Pembrokeshire never get a look in and are left to pick up the scraps left over when the landowners and brothers in arms have had their fill.

Who do the councillors in the IPG serve? Themselves and their own or the people of Pembrokeshire? It's certainly not us.
[quote][p][bold]Kate Becton[/bold] wrote: Pembrokeshireman - I promise you that I am not the unreal Kate Becton - if you wish me to supply an address and telephone number - I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours.![/p][/quote]I don't doubt that it is the real you but, as you say, if you've got nothing to lose you've got nothing to fear. Have you never wondered why there are so few women in the top jobs in Pembrokeshire in either the public or the private sector or how the same families manage to wangle decent jobs despite a lack of any intelligence or discernible skills? The poorest in Pembrokeshire never get a look in and are left to pick up the scraps left over when the landowners and brothers in arms have had their fill. Who do the councillors in the IPG serve? Themselves and their own or the people of Pembrokeshire? It's certainly not us. PembrokeshireMan
  • Score: 20

11:19pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Kate Becton says...

Pembrokeshireman - maybe one of the reasons that women in Pembrokeshire do not wish to 'go for it' is the attitude of the majority of Pembrokeshire men - I note that my fairly mild comment on this site has attracted a -18 score - please tell me that this is a record - frankly, and with some very honourable exceptions, the Pembrokeshireman does not like strong women - their attitudes remain in the 1950's. I have been very fortunate in the men in my life (possibly many would think they were unfortunate), but you are right to point out that women in Pembrokeshire are under represented in both the private and public sector.

We seem to be going off the point, but until we get some sort of gender balance in PCC I believe we will lack the basic empathy and understanding that women can bring to the table.
Pembrokeshireman - maybe one of the reasons that women in Pembrokeshire do not wish to 'go for it' is the attitude of the majority of Pembrokeshire men - I note that my fairly mild comment on this site has attracted a -18 score - please tell me that this is a record - frankly, and with some very honourable exceptions, the Pembrokeshireman does not like strong women - their attitudes remain in the 1950's. I have been very fortunate in the men in my life (possibly many would think they were unfortunate), but you are right to point out that women in Pembrokeshire are under represented in both the private and public sector. We seem to be going off the point, but until we get some sort of gender balance in PCC I believe we will lack the basic empathy and understanding that women can bring to the table. Kate Becton
  • Score: 2

11:29pm Thu 6 Mar 14

sammychips says...

OH ,Dear Kate what planet do you live on,you are either a multi millionaire that has never had to worry about the state of our so called County Council ,Which by the way is meant to be serving all of its constituents that live /abide/work and try to make our county a place worthy to live in,but have failed so miserably ,by having someone called BJP or the ROYAL ONE in the KREMLIN of PCC and his little minions that Bow,Follow AND Kiss whatever But here is the Punchline Do not talk to me but Do as I say,and I can Hang you if you choose to do otherwise,PURE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AT ITS BEST,
OH ,Dear Kate what planet do you live on,you are either a multi millionaire that has never had to worry about the state of our so called County Council ,Which by the way is meant to be serving all of its constituents that live /abide/work and try to make our county a place worthy to live in,but have failed so miserably ,by having someone called BJP or the ROYAL ONE in the KREMLIN of PCC and his little minions that Bow,Follow AND Kiss whatever But here is the Punchline Do not talk to me but Do as I say,and I can Hang you if you choose to do otherwise,PURE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AT ITS BEST, sammychips
  • Score: 11

11:36pm Thu 6 Mar 14

John Galt says...

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. John Galt
  • Score: -4

11:39pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Kate Becton says...

I had hoped that I had posted a comment, but it looks like I have made another stupid mistake. So here we go again. I note that a previous comment of mine has attracted a -19 score, hope that is a record! One of the reasons that women in Pembrokeshire do not put themselves forward in public/private sector prominence is the attitude of the majority of Pembrokeshire men; they remain, with certain very honourable exceptions, in the 1950's.

I have been very fortunate with the men in my life (no doubt many would feel they were very unfortunate) and we are probably moving away from the point which is that I believe that if we had a better gender balance in both public and private sectors in Pembrokeshire we could achieve far more than we are doing at present - including setting role models for young girls in the County..
I had hoped that I had posted a comment, but it looks like I have made another stupid mistake. So here we go again. I note that a previous comment of mine has attracted a -19 score, hope that is a record! One of the reasons that women in Pembrokeshire do not put themselves forward in public/private sector prominence is the attitude of the majority of Pembrokeshire men; they remain, with certain very honourable exceptions, in the 1950's. I have been very fortunate with the men in my life (no doubt many would feel they were very unfortunate) and we are probably moving away from the point which is that I believe that if we had a better gender balance in both public and private sectors in Pembrokeshire we could achieve far more than we are doing at present - including setting role models for young girls in the County.. Kate Becton
  • Score: -1

11:56pm Thu 6 Mar 14

sammychips says...

Are you a millionaire or suffering from dementia ,no democratic process has taken place ,the minions that we voted for,thinking they might make a difference are in it for one thing alone,press coverage /money/ and keeping up with the neighbours LOL, because all they have actually manage to do is put us in special measures,produce late expense claims ,unlawful pension payments, closed Public toilets,Cheap recycling bags that you have to double up because otherwise they spill everywhere,reduced services across the whole county,reduced workers pay scale ,But fair play they have managed to keep BJP on in his role and S!! the rest of us to ROT
Are you a millionaire or suffering from dementia ,no democratic process has taken place ,the minions that we voted for,thinking they might make a difference are in it for one thing alone,press coverage /money/ and keeping up with the neighbours LOL, because all they have actually manage to do is put us in special measures,produce late expense claims ,unlawful pension payments, closed Public toilets,Cheap recycling bags that you have to double up because otherwise they spill everywhere,reduced services across the whole county,reduced workers pay scale ,But fair play they have managed to keep BJP on in his role and S!! the rest of us to ROT sammychips
  • Score: 8

12:08am Fri 7 Mar 14

Justiceforall says...

Kate Becton wrote:
I am very new to posting comments on the web; however the novelty is wearing off - looking at the comments that have been posted so far the only identifiable one is Cllr. Nutting - how anyone can post comments under the 'Justiceforall' without identifying themselves is inexplicable - I certainly would not want them to be representing me in any situation. If you cannot put your money where your mouth is just don't do it. All this talk about openness and transparency is a total myth - at least the Councillors who supported Mr. Parry -Jones stood up and did so; as did the Councillors who opposed him.

I simply do not understand the mindset of people who post opinions - sometimes very virulent opinions - and do not wish to own those opinions.

The vote has been cast - perhaps Pembrokeshire can now go to concentrate on our Education, Social Care etc., which I am sure that Councillors will do.
I named myself Justiceforall because that is exactly what I want for the people of Pembrokeshire Kate. By the way you should not attack people or their opinions if there are any skeletons in Kate's closet.
[quote][p][bold]Kate Becton[/bold] wrote: I am very new to posting comments on the web; however the novelty is wearing off - looking at the comments that have been posted so far the only identifiable one is Cllr. Nutting - how anyone can post comments under the 'Justiceforall' without identifying themselves is inexplicable - I certainly would not want them to be representing me in any situation. If you cannot put your money where your mouth is just don't do it. All this talk about openness and transparency is a total myth - at least the Councillors who supported Mr. Parry -Jones stood up and did so; as did the Councillors who opposed him. I simply do not understand the mindset of people who post opinions - sometimes very virulent opinions - and do not wish to own those opinions. The vote has been cast - perhaps Pembrokeshire can now go to concentrate on our Education, Social Care etc., which I am sure that Councillors will do.[/p][/quote]I named myself Justiceforall because that is exactly what I want for the people of Pembrokeshire Kate. By the way you should not attack people or their opinions if there are any skeletons in Kate's closet. Justiceforall
  • Score: 7

7:01am Fri 7 Mar 14

Martin Lewis says...

Kate you're having laugh, you sound like Harriet Harman (or HarPERSON) to give her her correct title. It doesn't matter whether you're male or female, if you're devoid of principles, as defined by the majority of the people then it doesn't matter whether you're male or female. Do you really think we need more people like Sue Perkins and Pearl Llewellyn on the council? Sue Perkins, who abandons the very platform she stood for election on only to abandon them as soon as she was safely elected, to take 30 pieces of silver to join the group of councillors who totally dismiss the overwhelming views of the people they are supposed to be serving on very specific issues? How can you trust such people? How can they stand and pontificate about what's best for us when they've proved themselves unworthy of the position that they hold? Sue Perkins' speciality seems to be thinking she is the Mother of the council and her role is to chastise people like Paul Miller who truly represent the will of every normal person in this county. NONE of the councillors who voted against the motion of no confidence in BPJ & Harding yesterday can say they were representing their constituents with honesty and honour which leaves us to draw only one conclusion, they are in it for themselves knowing that nothing can be done by the people they screwed over until they've pocketed 4-5 years of councillor allowances and Special Responsibility Allowances amounting to 6 figure cash amounts. Democracy is when an organisation is run according to the will of the majority. What's happening continually at Pembrokeshire County Council is far from that. And while. I use my own name on my posts I totally understand PCC employees being afraid to do likewise. A -19 score on your posts only shows how out of touch you are yourself.
Kate you're having laugh, you sound like Harriet Harman (or HarPERSON) to give her her correct title. It doesn't matter whether you're male or female, if you're devoid of principles, as defined by the majority of the people then it doesn't matter whether you're male or female. Do you really think we need more people like Sue Perkins and Pearl Llewellyn on the council? Sue Perkins, who abandons the very platform she stood for election on only to abandon them as soon as she was safely elected, to take 30 pieces of silver to join the group of councillors who totally dismiss the overwhelming views of the people they are supposed to be serving on very specific issues? How can you trust such people? How can they stand and pontificate about what's best for us when they've proved themselves unworthy of the position that they hold? Sue Perkins' speciality seems to be thinking she is the Mother of the council and her role is to chastise people like Paul Miller who truly represent the will of every normal person in this county. NONE of the councillors who voted against the motion of no confidence in BPJ & Harding yesterday can say they were representing their constituents with honesty and honour which leaves us to draw only one conclusion, they are in it for themselves knowing that nothing can be done by the people they screwed over until they've pocketed 4-5 years of councillor allowances and Special Responsibility Allowances amounting to 6 figure cash amounts. Democracy is when an organisation is run according to the will of the majority. What's happening continually at Pembrokeshire County Council is far from that. And while. I use my own name on my posts I totally understand PCC employees being afraid to do likewise. A -19 score on your posts only shows how out of touch you are yourself. Martin Lewis
  • Score: 26

7:33am Fri 7 Mar 14

Electra1 says...

Remember those who voted YES and in the next local election vote NO.
Remember those who voted YES and in the next local election vote NO. Electra1
  • Score: 9

8:06am Fri 7 Mar 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

Kate Becton wrote:
Pembrokeshireman - maybe one of the reasons that women in Pembrokeshire do not wish to 'go for it' is the attitude of the majority of Pembrokeshire men - I note that my fairly mild comment on this site has attracted a -18 score - please tell me that this is a record - frankly, and with some very honourable exceptions, the Pembrokeshireman does not like strong women - their attitudes remain in the 1950's. I have been very fortunate in the men in my life (possibly many would think they were unfortunate), but you are right to point out that women in Pembrokeshire are under represented in both the private and public sector.

We seem to be going off the point, but until we get some sort of gender balance in PCC I believe we will lack the basic empathy and understanding that women can bring to the table.
Kate

Sadly, the gender balance and the reasons why there is such an imbalance of men in positions of power in Pembrokeshire cuts right to the heart of the matter. Why do you think the council voted down a motion that would have made them reveal whether or not they were members of the Masons, an organisation that does not allow women to become members?

Over too many years Pembrokeshire County Council has become an extension of the boys club with the odd woman being invited in and given "special responsibility" as long as it enhances the bigger group's position of power. Block voting rules. True independents and those who speak for the majority of the normal, working people in Pembrokeshire are marginalised. Such is the way of the world however.

Like most right-minded men in Pembrokeshire I like to think for myself and think that inherently sexist institutions should be banished to the era from whence they came. I'm going to have a long wait on that last point.
[quote][p][bold]Kate Becton[/bold] wrote: Pembrokeshireman - maybe one of the reasons that women in Pembrokeshire do not wish to 'go for it' is the attitude of the majority of Pembrokeshire men - I note that my fairly mild comment on this site has attracted a -18 score - please tell me that this is a record - frankly, and with some very honourable exceptions, the Pembrokeshireman does not like strong women - their attitudes remain in the 1950's. I have been very fortunate in the men in my life (possibly many would think they were unfortunate), but you are right to point out that women in Pembrokeshire are under represented in both the private and public sector. We seem to be going off the point, but until we get some sort of gender balance in PCC I believe we will lack the basic empathy and understanding that women can bring to the table.[/p][/quote]Kate Sadly, the gender balance and the reasons why there is such an imbalance of men in positions of power in Pembrokeshire cuts right to the heart of the matter. Why do you think the council voted down a motion that would have made them reveal whether or not they were members of the Masons, an organisation that does not allow women to become members? Over too many years Pembrokeshire County Council has become an extension of the boys club with the odd woman being invited in and given "special responsibility" as long as it enhances the bigger group's position of power. Block voting rules. True independents and those who speak for the majority of the normal, working people in Pembrokeshire are marginalised. Such is the way of the world however. Like most right-minded men in Pembrokeshire I like to think for myself and think that inherently sexist institutions should be banished to the era from whence they came. I'm going to have a long wait on that last point. PembrokeshireMan
  • Score: 12

8:35am Fri 7 Mar 14

Citizen Pembs says...

Yesterday was a very sad day for us all. There are no winners.

Naively, we thought that we would be listened to and there would be a fresh start for Pembrokeshire.
It was never really on the cards was it? The die was cast before the meeting began and we all know the reasons why.

I would like to pay tribute to those councillors who really did speak eloquently and persuasively, presenting the actual facts instead of hiding behind empty rhetoric.Theirs was a true victory and I applaud them for having the courage to stand up for their convictions.There is no need to name them because we know who they are.

Where do we go from here having been told by our Leader that 'lessons have been learned' and we must 'move on' ? Business as usual.

It is very difficult to erase from collective memory the catalogue of wrong doing both morally and possibly legally that has has been brought to our attention over recent months. We have been told they were 'procedural flaws' Double Think indeed.

The motion of lack of no confidence in the leadrershipp of Pembrokeshire County Council has been defeated and democratic process has triumphed.Yes?

Justice, fairness, open governance, accountability, transparency. Freedom of thought and speech. Honesty and truth. Moral responsibility.
Personal integrity and honour.


I should think these.are the crucial elements of true democracy which the people of Pembrokeshire, irrespective of political allegiances or gender expected of their elected representatives.

The death of democracy indeed
Yesterday was a very sad day for us all. There are no winners. Naively, we thought that we would be listened to and there would be a fresh start for Pembrokeshire. It was never really on the cards was it? The die was cast before the meeting began and we all know the reasons why. I would like to pay tribute to those councillors who really did speak eloquently and persuasively, presenting the actual facts instead of hiding behind empty rhetoric.Theirs was a true victory and I applaud them for having the courage to stand up for their convictions.There is no need to name them because we know who they are. Where do we go from here having been told by our Leader that 'lessons have been learned' and we must 'move on' ? Business as usual. It is very difficult to erase from collective memory the catalogue of wrong doing both morally and possibly legally that has has been brought to our attention over recent months. We have been told they were 'procedural flaws' Double Think indeed. The motion of lack of no confidence in the leadrershipp of Pembrokeshire County Council has been defeated and democratic process has triumphed.Yes? Justice, fairness, open governance, accountability, transparency. Freedom of thought and speech. Honesty and truth. Moral responsibility. Personal integrity and honour. I should think these.are the crucial elements of true democracy which the people of Pembrokeshire, irrespective of political allegiances or gender expected of their elected representatives. The death of democracy indeed Citizen Pembs
  • Score: 20

8:47am Fri 7 Mar 14

John Galt says...

John Galt wrote:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
Btw the critic and timid souls = Cllr Miller & Cllr Stoddart

Strong man and doer of deeds = Cllr Adams

End of story
[quote][p][bold]John Galt[/bold] wrote: It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.[/p][/quote]Btw the critic and timid souls = Cllr Miller & Cllr Stoddart Strong man and doer of deeds = Cllr Adams End of story John Galt
  • Score: -30

9:20am Fri 7 Mar 14

SM1968 says...

"Dictators ride to and fro on tigers from which they dare not dismount. And the tigers are getting hungry." - Winston Churchill (While England Slept, 1938)

BTW the "dictators"= BPJ and Adams

Ttigers = the electroate

End of story
"Dictators ride to and fro on tigers from which they dare not dismount. And the tigers are getting hungry." - Winston Churchill (While England Slept, 1938) BTW the "dictators"= BPJ and Adams Ttigers = the electroate End of story SM1968
  • Score: 14

9:24am Fri 7 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

Posted the list of 30 councillors onto the Radio Pembrokeshire web site - took down pretty quickly, I think we know whose side that radio station supports and it's NOT the ppl of Pembrokeshire
Posted the list of 30 councillors onto the Radio Pembrokeshire web site - took down pretty quickly, I think we know whose side that radio station supports and it's NOT the ppl of Pembrokeshire Tttoommy
  • Score: 16

9:40am Fri 7 Mar 14

hardcheese says...

Why have 30 councillors who voted in support of Bryn Parry-Jones?...are they part of the “royal family”?

It is quite obvious Bryn Parry-Jones has a hold on these 30 counsellors, I am sure if he had been voted out he would have bought down his supporters with him.

The people of Pembrokeshire deserve a Council run by honest and open people, “NO PRIVATE MEETINGS”.

Bryn Parry-Jones only thinks of himself. How is it that he earns more than most of the other County Council Executives in Wales?

We will have to wait and see what happens over the next few weeks. I am sure it won’t be long before he goes and his “crooks” with him….
Why have 30 councillors who voted in support of Bryn Parry-Jones?...are they part of the “royal family”? It is quite obvious Bryn Parry-Jones has a hold on these 30 counsellors, I am sure if he had been voted out he would have bought down his supporters with him. The people of Pembrokeshire deserve a Council run by honest and open people, “NO PRIVATE MEETINGS”. Bryn Parry-Jones only thinks of himself. How is it that he earns more than most of the other County Council Executives in Wales? We will have to wait and see what happens over the next few weeks. I am sure it won’t be long before he goes and his “crooks” with him…. hardcheese
  • Score: 13

9:40am Fri 7 Mar 14

hardcheese says...

Why have 30 councillors who voted in support of Bryn Parry-Jones?...are they part of the “royal family”?

It is quite obvious Bryn Parry-Jones has a hold on these 30 counsellors, I am sure if he had been voted out he would have bought down his supporters with him.

The people of Pembrokeshire deserve a Council run by honest and open people, “NO PRIVATE MEETINGS”.

Bryn Parry-Jones only thinks of himself. How is it that he earns more than most of the other County Council Executives in Wales?

We will have to wait and see what happens over the next few weeks. I am sure it won’t be long before he goes and his “crooks” with him….
Why have 30 councillors who voted in support of Bryn Parry-Jones?...are they part of the “royal family”? It is quite obvious Bryn Parry-Jones has a hold on these 30 counsellors, I am sure if he had been voted out he would have bought down his supporters with him. The people of Pembrokeshire deserve a Council run by honest and open people, “NO PRIVATE MEETINGS”. Bryn Parry-Jones only thinks of himself. How is it that he earns more than most of the other County Council Executives in Wales? We will have to wait and see what happens over the next few weeks. I am sure it won’t be long before he goes and his “crooks” with him…. hardcheese
  • Score: 9

9:48am Fri 7 Mar 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

John Galt wrote:
John Galt wrote:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
Btw the critic and timid souls = Cllr Miller & Cllr Stoddart

Strong man and doer of deeds = Cllr Adams

End of story
Hitler, Pol Pot, Tony Blair and George W Bush, to name but a few, believed that they were fighting for a worthy cause.
[quote][p][bold]John Galt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Galt[/bold] wrote: It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.[/p][/quote]Btw the critic and timid souls = Cllr Miller & Cllr Stoddart Strong man and doer of deeds = Cllr Adams End of story[/p][/quote]Hitler, Pol Pot, Tony Blair and George W Bush, to name but a few, believed that they were fighting for a worthy cause. PembrokeshireMan
  • Score: 8

10:46am Fri 7 Mar 14

Martin Lewis says...

John Galt wrote:
John Galt wrote:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
Btw the critic and timid souls = Cllr Miller & Cllr Stoddart

Strong man and doer of deeds = Cllr Adams

End of story
Interesting viewpoint John Galt, it must be the 99% of the rest of us that are wrong then.
[quote][p][bold]John Galt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Galt[/bold] wrote: It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.[/p][/quote]Btw the critic and timid souls = Cllr Miller & Cllr Stoddart Strong man and doer of deeds = Cllr Adams End of story[/p][/quote]Interesting viewpoint John Galt, it must be the 99% of the rest of us that are wrong then. Martin Lewis
  • Score: 19

1:26pm Fri 7 Mar 14

KeanJo says...

A bad result for Pembrokeshire but proposals of this nature involving one or a group of persons should surely be decided by secret ballot and names of the voters kept private. Without the leader knowing how his vassals voted, I suspect the result might have been quite different. So next time will the proposers and their supporters please insist on a secret ballot.The budget passed almost unnoticed but ,although the1/2 million spent on legal fees was debated ,nothing was raised about the £1.75 million 'invested' in Bluestone - no wonder the County Council have financial difficulties.
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,
A bad result for Pembrokeshire but proposals of this nature involving one or a group of persons should surely be decided by secret ballot and names of the voters kept private. Without the leader knowing how his vassals voted, I suspect the result might have been quite different. So next time will the proposers and their supporters please insist on a secret ballot.The budget passed almost unnoticed but ,although the1/2 million spent on legal fees was debated ,nothing was raised about the £1.75 million 'invested' in Bluestone - no wonder the County Council have financial difficulties. . , KeanJo
  • Score: 11

1:26pm Sat 8 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

Jonathan Nutting wrote:
There is a new party. I am a member. We are the only group with published policies that are for pembrokeshire and it's future. In the next week we will have our web site up. We are the Pembrokeshire alliance. We listen and we will bring about the changes this county needs. I am proud of my county and I dispair at the destruction being wrecked upon it.

Like all bad times it will end. I like many had hoped this would have happened before the next election. Look out for our web site. If you care then join us and give us the strength to bring about the changes we all want. Our aim is to put a candidate up in every ward. Never again will there be anyone entering PCC without a vote cast. The days of the IPPG are numbered.
I am behind you all the way
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Nutting[/bold] wrote: There is a new party. I am a member. We are the only group with published policies that are for pembrokeshire and it's future. In the next week we will have our web site up. We are the Pembrokeshire alliance. We listen and we will bring about the changes this county needs. I am proud of my county and I dispair at the destruction being wrecked upon it. Like all bad times it will end. I like many had hoped this would have happened before the next election. Look out for our web site. If you care then join us and give us the strength to bring about the changes we all want. Our aim is to put a candidate up in every ward. Never again will there be anyone entering PCC without a vote cast. The days of the IPPG are numbered.[/p][/quote]I am behind you all the way seaveiw
  • Score: 3

5:52pm Sat 8 Mar 14

KeanJo says...

John Gait, you could have used the same logic to praise Adolf Hitler!
John Gait, you could have used the same logic to praise Adolf Hitler! KeanJo
  • Score: 6

9:31am Sun 9 Mar 14

Electra1 says...

John Galt wrote:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
As said Theodore Roosevelt.

But what would Theodore make of a group of people voting for a man who is being investigated by the police, has defiantly done something wrong and doesn't believe in speaking to the 'little man'.
[quote][p][bold]John Galt[/bold] wrote: It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.[/p][/quote]As said Theodore Roosevelt. But what would Theodore make of a group of people voting for a man who is being investigated by the police, has defiantly done something wrong and doesn't believe in speaking to the 'little man'. Electra1
  • Score: 5

4:54pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Kate Becton says...

Thank you everyone for your comments in response to mine - I am becoming aware that I am probably too trustful of people that I thought would 'do the right thing'.

However much the situation may have improved, during my working life I accepted that, if things went drastically wrong then the buck rested at the top.

Clearly this is about money and that is such a shame, it is also about attitude as OG would say ' he's a good old boy' and that, in Pembrokeshire ,seems enough.

The other concern I have that whilst I recognise the strength of feeling expressed on these pages, I doubt that it amounts to more then one hundred people, out of a voting population of approx 90,000.

It would seem that the vast majority are either not concerned or are not interested in the nitty gritty of the political process.

I suppose that it was ever thus, and, in one way I would welcome the reconfiguration of the political set up that will be imposed by the WAG.
Thank you everyone for your comments in response to mine - I am becoming aware that I am probably too trustful of people that I thought would 'do the right thing'. However much the situation may have improved, during my working life I accepted that, if things went drastically wrong then the buck rested at the top. Clearly this is about money and that is such a shame, it is also about attitude as OG would say ' he's a good old boy' and that, in Pembrokeshire ,seems enough. The other concern I have that whilst I recognise the strength of feeling expressed on these pages, I doubt that it amounts to more then one hundred people, out of a voting population of approx 90,000. It would seem that the vast majority are either not concerned or are not interested in the nitty gritty of the political process. I suppose that it was ever thus, and, in one way I would welcome the reconfiguration of the political set up that will be imposed by the WAG. Kate Becton
  • Score: 1

5:49pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Kate Becton says...

Justiceforall - I can assure you that during my time as a councillor, as far as my duties were concerned there were no skeletons in the closet. I resigned as a councillor because I pleaded guilty to a charge of drink driving, something I was ashamed of then and remain so. The only fortunate thing is that I was lucky enough not to have injured or killed someone through was reprehensible behaviour.

If this behaviour, now two and a half years ago, renders me unsuitable to make comments on the web then I apologise and will remain silent.
Justiceforall - I can assure you that during my time as a councillor, as far as my duties were concerned there were no skeletons in the closet. I resigned as a councillor because I pleaded guilty to a charge of drink driving, something I was ashamed of then and remain so. The only fortunate thing is that I was lucky enough not to have injured or killed someone through was reprehensible behaviour. If this behaviour, now two and a half years ago, renders me unsuitable to make comments on the web then I apologise and will remain silent. Kate Becton
  • Score: -2

7:30pm Sun 9 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Posted the list of 30 councillors onto the Radio Pembrokeshire web site - took down pretty quickly, I think we know whose side that radio station supports and it's NOT the ppl of Pembrokeshire
Well now they are a poll taken by them Saturday showed what we all knew a no confidence vote.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: Posted the list of 30 councillors onto the Radio Pembrokeshire web site - took down pretty quickly, I think we know whose side that radio station supports and it's NOT the ppl of Pembrokeshire[/p][/quote]Well now they are a poll taken by them Saturday showed what we all knew a no confidence vote. seaveiw
  • Score: 4

7:38pm Sun 9 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

Kate Becton wrote:
Thank you everyone for your comments in response to mine - I am becoming aware that I am probably too trustful of people that I thought would 'do the right thing'.

However much the situation may have improved, during my working life I accepted that, if things went drastically wrong then the buck rested at the top.

Clearly this is about money and that is such a shame, it is also about attitude as OG would say ' he's a good old boy' and that, in Pembrokeshire ,seems enough.

The other concern I have that whilst I recognise the strength of feeling expressed on these pages, I doubt that it amounts to more then one hundred people, out of a voting population of approx 90,000.

It would seem that the vast majority are either not concerned or are not interested in the nitty gritty of the political process.

I suppose that it was ever thus, and, in one way I would welcome the reconfiguration of the political set up that will be imposed by the WAG.
Have a wander around the town you will then be able to find out what the feeling of most people are.,these are mainly people who take an interest in politics.Some of us have to speak up for the silent majority. By the way Kate you do go on a bit about irrelevant things.
[quote][p][bold]Kate Becton[/bold] wrote: Thank you everyone for your comments in response to mine - I am becoming aware that I am probably too trustful of people that I thought would 'do the right thing'. However much the situation may have improved, during my working life I accepted that, if things went drastically wrong then the buck rested at the top. Clearly this is about money and that is such a shame, it is also about attitude as OG would say ' he's a good old boy' and that, in Pembrokeshire ,seems enough. The other concern I have that whilst I recognise the strength of feeling expressed on these pages, I doubt that it amounts to more then one hundred people, out of a voting population of approx 90,000. It would seem that the vast majority are either not concerned or are not interested in the nitty gritty of the political process. I suppose that it was ever thus, and, in one way I would welcome the reconfiguration of the political set up that will be imposed by the WAG.[/p][/quote]Have a wander around the town you will then be able to find out what the feeling of most people are.,these are mainly people who take an interest in politics.Some of us have to speak up for the silent majority. By the way Kate you do go on a bit about irrelevant things. seaveiw
  • Score: 3

5:24pm Mon 10 Mar 14

billbob says...

rumour has it that bryn has been spotted in a brand new porsche...i wonder if the council paid for it ?!?!
rumour has it that bryn has been spotted in a brand new porsche...i wonder if the council paid for it ?!?! billbob
  • Score: 1

8:20pm Mon 10 Mar 14

John Galt says...

Wonderful, my quote seemed to annoy a number of you. I hope to continue that trend. I was a little worried that no one would get it (hence the clarification post), however you bright minded young freedom fighters seemed to get in in the end.

I am surprised at the number of posts, since last week - clearly a testament to the small and unfulfilled lives you lead. What is shocking is that a number of them were during the working day - but should I be surprised that people with such venom and unpleasant views do not have jobs or are such slackers that they comment during company time?

I am little more concerned that the labour party is trying to shut the hospital, but hey-how things like that clearly aren’t important to the “People of Pembrokeshire”

KeanJo: your comment was appalling - having served time in the forces to hear you trivialise Hitler, the most atrocious man in modern history to a few council workers is just wrong and shameful. Brave men and women fought hard against him so that you could have your views. Do not take that for granted.

Electra1: Congratulations for working out how to use Google. As your historical knowledge is so strong you will be aware that Theodore Roosevelt also was accused of incorrect tax claims.

Martin Lewis: Using the argument that “99% of the rest of us” are right is an excellent one, an argument I am sure was used repeatedly when people started to question that maybe the world is not flat?

Eckysense: Excellent point “Webcasting council meetings has proved a great asset for the electorate”. I would draw your attention to the webcast of the special council meeting where a QC said that in his opinion there had been no wrong doing. Yet everyone is listening to an auditor. If I want an opinion on how to add pensions in a balance sheet I will ask an auditor, if I want a legal opinion on how pensions should be paid under contractual law I will ask a QC.

I find that you all use terms and phrases like “logic” and “the people of Pembrokeshire”, yet based on my logic and understanding of the people of Pembrokeshire, they voted for the Independents who are the MAJORITY. The independents then voted against the motion of no confidence ergo democracy in action. But clearly I don’t have the same grasp of logic and politics that you learned scholars seem to have.

Anyway I look forward to all the nasty responses to this. A request for you all if you don’t mind please? If you could make comparisons to other random historical and famous figures that would be great?

Some examples could be Genghis Khan, Napoleon Bonaparte, Henry Kissinger, Oscar Wild and Dawn French?

Many thanks
John Galt
Wonderful, my quote seemed to annoy a number of you. I hope to continue that trend. I was a little worried that no one would get it (hence the clarification post), however you bright minded young freedom fighters seemed to get in in the end. I am surprised at the number of posts, since last week - clearly a testament to the small and unfulfilled lives you lead. What is shocking is that a number of them were during the working day - but should I be surprised that people with such venom and unpleasant views do not have jobs or are such slackers that they comment during company time? I am little more concerned that the labour party is trying to shut the hospital, but hey-how things like that clearly aren’t important to the “People of Pembrokeshire” KeanJo: your comment was appalling - having served time in the forces to hear you trivialise Hitler, the most atrocious man in modern history to a few council workers is just wrong and shameful. Brave men and women fought hard against him so that you could have your views. Do not take that for granted. Electra1: Congratulations for working out how to use Google. As your historical knowledge is so strong you will be aware that Theodore Roosevelt also was accused of incorrect tax claims. Martin Lewis: Using the argument that “99% of the rest of us” are right is an excellent one, an argument I am sure was used repeatedly when people started to question that maybe the world is not flat? Eckysense: Excellent point “Webcasting council meetings has proved a great asset for the electorate”. I would draw your attention to the webcast of the special council meeting where a QC said that in his opinion there had been no wrong doing. Yet everyone is listening to an auditor. If I want an opinion on how to add pensions in a balance sheet I will ask an auditor, if I want a legal opinion on how pensions should be paid under contractual law I will ask a QC. I find that you all use terms and phrases like “logic” and “the people of Pembrokeshire”, yet based on my logic and understanding of the people of Pembrokeshire, they voted for the Independents who are the MAJORITY. The independents then voted against the motion of no confidence ergo democracy in action. But clearly I don’t have the same grasp of logic and politics that you learned scholars seem to have. Anyway I look forward to all the nasty responses to this. A request for you all if you don’t mind please? If you could make comparisons to other random historical and famous figures that would be great? Some examples could be Genghis Khan, Napoleon Bonaparte, Henry Kissinger, Oscar Wild and Dawn French? Many thanks John Galt John Galt
  • Score: -5

9:55pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Martin Lewis says...

John Galt wrote:
Wonderful, my quote seemed to annoy a number of you. I hope to continue that trend. I was a little worried that no one would get it (hence the clarification post), however you bright minded young freedom fighters seemed to get in in the end.

I am surprised at the number of posts, since last week - clearly a testament to the small and unfulfilled lives you lead. What is shocking is that a number of them were during the working day - but should I be surprised that people with such venom and unpleasant views do not have jobs or are such slackers that they comment during company time?

I am little more concerned that the labour party is trying to shut the hospital, but hey-how things like that clearly aren’t important to the “People of Pembrokeshire”

KeanJo: your comment was appalling - having served time in the forces to hear you trivialise Hitler, the most atrocious man in modern history to a few council workers is just wrong and shameful. Brave men and women fought hard against him so that you could have your views. Do not take that for granted.

Electra1: Congratulations for working out how to use Google. As your historical knowledge is so strong you will be aware that Theodore Roosevelt also was accused of incorrect tax claims.

Martin Lewis: Using the argument that “99% of the rest of us” are right is an excellent one, an argument I am sure was used repeatedly when people started to question that maybe the world is not flat?

Eckysense: Excellent point “Webcasting council meetings has proved a great asset for the electorate”. I would draw your attention to the webcast of the special council meeting where a QC said that in his opinion there had been no wrong doing. Yet everyone is listening to an auditor. If I want an opinion on how to add pensions in a balance sheet I will ask an auditor, if I want a legal opinion on how pensions should be paid under contractual law I will ask a QC.

I find that you all use terms and phrases like “logic” and “the people of Pembrokeshire”, yet based on my logic and understanding of the people of Pembrokeshire, they voted for the Independents who are the MAJORITY. The independents then voted against the motion of no confidence ergo democracy in action. But clearly I don’t have the same grasp of logic and politics that you learned scholars seem to have.

Anyway I look forward to all the nasty responses to this. A request for you all if you don’t mind please? If you could make comparisons to other random historical and famous figures that would be great?

Some examples could be Genghis Khan, Napoleon Bonaparte, Henry Kissinger, Oscar Wild and Dawn French?

Many thanks
John Galt
1. I work for myself so always comment in my own time.

2. If I wanted a legal opinion on how pensions should be paid I'd ask a pensions actuary. Just like the one employed by the mob down at County Hall for the February 14th meeting, who, by the way, was a hell of a lot more vague than Tim Kerr when it came down to what was right and wrong with the payments and the resulting tax implications.

3. If you DO insist on asking a QC, be sure not to ask Tim Kerr because his legal advice to the council was to accept the WAO recommendations to rescind the arrangement because it was indeed unlawful, and as documents from Carmarthenshire County Council show, his opinion to them was to rescind the same arrangement as, on balance, it was unlikely to stand up in court if taken that far. This was obviously the reason that the ruling group did not want the legal advice available to all councillors.

Tim Kerr argued BPJ's presence at the meeting that decided the unlawful payments as allowable in law. We could spend millions in council tax on QCs to argue the toss, it won't change the fact that his presence at that meeting was plain wrong.

4. The public did not vote for the independents that form the majority:

(a) Simon Hancock - defected from Labour to IPG after being elected as Labour councillor for Neyland East - received £15,000 SRA.

(b) Sue Perkins - defected from Labour to IPG after being elected as Labour councillor for Pembroke Dock Llanion - received £15,000 SRA

(c) Steve Joseph - defected from Plaid Cymru to IPG after being elected as Plaid Cymru councillor.

There's your majority of 3 cancelled out by 3 people of dubious character, proving that the "people of Pembrokeshire" certainly did not vote for the "independents"

I won't rise to your more puerile attempts at provocation.

There is always going to be a minority of people who believe that this behaviour is acceptable. But I'll wager that Jamie Adams and most of the others that have supported BPJ in the chamber don't venture down to their local much these days. Just have a sherry from the decanter before dinner what?

U fink ur klever, but you ain't mate.
[quote][p][bold]John Galt[/bold] wrote: Wonderful, my quote seemed to annoy a number of you. I hope to continue that trend. I was a little worried that no one would get it (hence the clarification post), however you bright minded young freedom fighters seemed to get in in the end. I am surprised at the number of posts, since last week - clearly a testament to the small and unfulfilled lives you lead. What is shocking is that a number of them were during the working day - but should I be surprised that people with such venom and unpleasant views do not have jobs or are such slackers that they comment during company time? I am little more concerned that the labour party is trying to shut the hospital, but hey-how things like that clearly aren’t important to the “People of Pembrokeshire” KeanJo: your comment was appalling - having served time in the forces to hear you trivialise Hitler, the most atrocious man in modern history to a few council workers is just wrong and shameful. Brave men and women fought hard against him so that you could have your views. Do not take that for granted. Electra1: Congratulations for working out how to use Google. As your historical knowledge is so strong you will be aware that Theodore Roosevelt also was accused of incorrect tax claims. Martin Lewis: Using the argument that “99% of the rest of us” are right is an excellent one, an argument I am sure was used repeatedly when people started to question that maybe the world is not flat? Eckysense: Excellent point “Webcasting council meetings has proved a great asset for the electorate”. I would draw your attention to the webcast of the special council meeting where a QC said that in his opinion there had been no wrong doing. Yet everyone is listening to an auditor. If I want an opinion on how to add pensions in a balance sheet I will ask an auditor, if I want a legal opinion on how pensions should be paid under contractual law I will ask a QC. I find that you all use terms and phrases like “logic” and “the people of Pembrokeshire”, yet based on my logic and understanding of the people of Pembrokeshire, they voted for the Independents who are the MAJORITY. The independents then voted against the motion of no confidence ergo democracy in action. But clearly I don’t have the same grasp of logic and politics that you learned scholars seem to have. Anyway I look forward to all the nasty responses to this. A request for you all if you don’t mind please? If you could make comparisons to other random historical and famous figures that would be great? Some examples could be Genghis Khan, Napoleon Bonaparte, Henry Kissinger, Oscar Wild and Dawn French? Many thanks John Galt[/p][/quote]1. I work for myself so always comment in my own time. 2. If I wanted a legal opinion on how pensions should be paid I'd ask a pensions actuary. Just like the one employed by the mob down at County Hall for the February 14th meeting, who, by the way, was a hell of a lot more vague than Tim Kerr when it came down to what was right and wrong with the payments and the resulting tax implications. 3. If you DO insist on asking a QC, be sure not to ask Tim Kerr because his legal advice to the council was to accept the WAO recommendations to rescind the arrangement because it was indeed unlawful, and as documents from Carmarthenshire County Council show, his opinion to them was to rescind the same arrangement as, on balance, it was unlikely to stand up in court if taken that far. This was obviously the reason that the ruling group did not want the legal advice available to all councillors. Tim Kerr argued BPJ's presence at the meeting that decided the unlawful payments as allowable in law. We could spend millions in council tax on QCs to argue the toss, it won't change the fact that his presence at that meeting was plain wrong. 4. The public did not vote for the independents that form the majority: (a) Simon Hancock - defected from Labour to IPG after being elected as Labour councillor for Neyland East - received £15,000 SRA. (b) Sue Perkins - defected from Labour to IPG after being elected as Labour councillor for Pembroke Dock Llanion - received £15,000 SRA (c) Steve Joseph - defected from Plaid Cymru to IPG after being elected as Plaid Cymru councillor. There's your majority of 3 cancelled out by 3 people of dubious character, proving that the "people of Pembrokeshire" certainly did not vote for the "independents" I won't rise to your more puerile attempts at provocation. There is always going to be a minority of people who believe that this behaviour is acceptable. But I'll wager that Jamie Adams and most of the others that have supported BPJ in the chamber don't venture down to their local much these days. Just have a sherry from the decanter before dinner what? U fink ur klever, but you ain't mate. Martin Lewis
  • Score: 7

9:59pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

appears from the Carms. CC web site where they've posted the Legal advice - it does appear it wasn't as "robust" as Jamies been telling us all along.

Jackanory,
Jacknory ..... ?

http://pembrokeshire
herald.com/3822/carm
arthenshire-spill-be
ans-qcs-legal-advice
-published-online-%E
2%80%A2-didnt/
appears from the Carms. CC web site where they've posted the Legal advice - it does appear it wasn't as "robust" as Jamies been telling us all along. Jackanory, Jacknory ..... ? http://pembrokeshire herald.com/3822/carm arthenshire-spill-be ans-qcs-legal-advice -published-online-%E 2%80%A2-didnt/ Tttoommy
  • Score: 6

10:29pm Mon 10 Mar 14

John Galt says...

Martin Lewis wrote:
John Galt wrote:
Wonderful, my quote seemed to annoy a number of you. I hope to continue that trend. I was a little worried that no one would get it (hence the clarification post), however you bright minded young freedom fighters seemed to get in in the end.

I am surprised at the number of posts, since last week - clearly a testament to the small and unfulfilled lives you lead. What is shocking is that a number of them were during the working day - but should I be surprised that people with such venom and unpleasant views do not have jobs or are such slackers that they comment during company time?

I am little more concerned that the labour party is trying to shut the hospital, but hey-how things like that clearly aren’t important to the “People of Pembrokeshire”

KeanJo: your comment was appalling - having served time in the forces to hear you trivialise Hitler, the most atrocious man in modern history to a few council workers is just wrong and shameful. Brave men and women fought hard against him so that you could have your views. Do not take that for granted.

Electra1: Congratulations for working out how to use Google. As your historical knowledge is so strong you will be aware that Theodore Roosevelt also was accused of incorrect tax claims.

Martin Lewis: Using the argument that “99% of the rest of us” are right is an excellent one, an argument I am sure was used repeatedly when people started to question that maybe the world is not flat?

Eckysense: Excellent point “Webcasting council meetings has proved a great asset for the electorate”. I would draw your attention to the webcast of the special council meeting where a QC said that in his opinion there had been no wrong doing. Yet everyone is listening to an auditor. If I want an opinion on how to add pensions in a balance sheet I will ask an auditor, if I want a legal opinion on how pensions should be paid under contractual law I will ask a QC.

I find that you all use terms and phrases like “logic” and “the people of Pembrokeshire”, yet based on my logic and understanding of the people of Pembrokeshire, they voted for the Independents who are the MAJORITY. The independents then voted against the motion of no confidence ergo democracy in action. But clearly I don’t have the same grasp of logic and politics that you learned scholars seem to have.

Anyway I look forward to all the nasty responses to this. A request for you all if you don’t mind please? If you could make comparisons to other random historical and famous figures that would be great?

Some examples could be Genghis Khan, Napoleon Bonaparte, Henry Kissinger, Oscar Wild and Dawn French?

Many thanks
John Galt
1. I work for myself so always comment in my own time.

2. If I wanted a legal opinion on how pensions should be paid I'd ask a pensions actuary. Just like the one employed by the mob down at County Hall for the February 14th meeting, who, by the way, was a hell of a lot more vague than Tim Kerr when it came down to what was right and wrong with the payments and the resulting tax implications.

3. If you DO insist on asking a QC, be sure not to ask Tim Kerr because his legal advice to the council was to accept the WAO recommendations to rescind the arrangement because it was indeed unlawful, and as documents from Carmarthenshire County Council show, his opinion to them was to rescind the same arrangement as, on balance, it was unlikely to stand up in court if taken that far. This was obviously the reason that the ruling group did not want the legal advice available to all councillors.

Tim Kerr argued BPJ's presence at the meeting that decided the unlawful payments as allowable in law. We could spend millions in council tax on QCs to argue the toss, it won't change the fact that his presence at that meeting was plain wrong.

4. The public did not vote for the independents that form the majority:

(a) Simon Hancock - defected from Labour to IPG after being elected as Labour councillor for Neyland East - received £15,000 SRA.

(b) Sue Perkins - defected from Labour to IPG after being elected as Labour councillor for Pembroke Dock Llanion - received £15,000 SRA

(c) Steve Joseph - defected from Plaid Cymru to IPG after being elected as Plaid Cymru councillor.

There's your majority of 3 cancelled out by 3 people of dubious character, proving that the "people of Pembrokeshire" certainly did not vote for the "independents"

I won't rise to your more puerile attempts at provocation.

There is always going to be a minority of people who believe that this behaviour is acceptable. But I'll wager that Jamie Adams and most of the others that have supported BPJ in the chamber don't venture down to their local much these days. Just have a sherry from the decanter before dinner what?

U fink ur klever, but you ain't mate.
Haha fantastic. I know you didn't want to rise to my puerile attempts at provocation but I think you did. Thank you
[quote][p][bold]Martin Lewis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Galt[/bold] wrote: Wonderful, my quote seemed to annoy a number of you. I hope to continue that trend. I was a little worried that no one would get it (hence the clarification post), however you bright minded young freedom fighters seemed to get in in the end. I am surprised at the number of posts, since last week - clearly a testament to the small and unfulfilled lives you lead. What is shocking is that a number of them were during the working day - but should I be surprised that people with such venom and unpleasant views do not have jobs or are such slackers that they comment during company time? I am little more concerned that the labour party is trying to shut the hospital, but hey-how things like that clearly aren’t important to the “People of Pembrokeshire” KeanJo: your comment was appalling - having served time in the forces to hear you trivialise Hitler, the most atrocious man in modern history to a few council workers is just wrong and shameful. Brave men and women fought hard against him so that you could have your views. Do not take that for granted. Electra1: Congratulations for working out how to use Google. As your historical knowledge is so strong you will be aware that Theodore Roosevelt also was accused of incorrect tax claims. Martin Lewis: Using the argument that “99% of the rest of us” are right is an excellent one, an argument I am sure was used repeatedly when people started to question that maybe the world is not flat? Eckysense: Excellent point “Webcasting council meetings has proved a great asset for the electorate”. I would draw your attention to the webcast of the special council meeting where a QC said that in his opinion there had been no wrong doing. Yet everyone is listening to an auditor. If I want an opinion on how to add pensions in a balance sheet I will ask an auditor, if I want a legal opinion on how pensions should be paid under contractual law I will ask a QC. I find that you all use terms and phrases like “logic” and “the people of Pembrokeshire”, yet based on my logic and understanding of the people of Pembrokeshire, they voted for the Independents who are the MAJORITY. The independents then voted against the motion of no confidence ergo democracy in action. But clearly I don’t have the same grasp of logic and politics that you learned scholars seem to have. Anyway I look forward to all the nasty responses to this. A request for you all if you don’t mind please? If you could make comparisons to other random historical and famous figures that would be great? Some examples could be Genghis Khan, Napoleon Bonaparte, Henry Kissinger, Oscar Wild and Dawn French? Many thanks John Galt[/p][/quote]1. I work for myself so always comment in my own time. 2. If I wanted a legal opinion on how pensions should be paid I'd ask a pensions actuary. Just like the one employed by the mob down at County Hall for the February 14th meeting, who, by the way, was a hell of a lot more vague than Tim Kerr when it came down to what was right and wrong with the payments and the resulting tax implications. 3. If you DO insist on asking a QC, be sure not to ask Tim Kerr because his legal advice to the council was to accept the WAO recommendations to rescind the arrangement because it was indeed unlawful, and as documents from Carmarthenshire County Council show, his opinion to them was to rescind the same arrangement as, on balance, it was unlikely to stand up in court if taken that far. This was obviously the reason that the ruling group did not want the legal advice available to all councillors. Tim Kerr argued BPJ's presence at the meeting that decided the unlawful payments as allowable in law. We could spend millions in council tax on QCs to argue the toss, it won't change the fact that his presence at that meeting was plain wrong. 4. The public did not vote for the independents that form the majority: (a) Simon Hancock - defected from Labour to IPG after being elected as Labour councillor for Neyland East - received £15,000 SRA. (b) Sue Perkins - defected from Labour to IPG after being elected as Labour councillor for Pembroke Dock Llanion - received £15,000 SRA (c) Steve Joseph - defected from Plaid Cymru to IPG after being elected as Plaid Cymru councillor. There's your majority of 3 cancelled out by 3 people of dubious character, proving that the "people of Pembrokeshire" certainly did not vote for the "independents" I won't rise to your more puerile attempts at provocation. There is always going to be a minority of people who believe that this behaviour is acceptable. But I'll wager that Jamie Adams and most of the others that have supported BPJ in the chamber don't venture down to their local much these days. Just have a sherry from the decanter before dinner what? U fink ur klever, but you ain't mate.[/p][/quote]Haha fantastic. I know you didn't want to rise to my puerile attempts at provocation but I think you did. Thank you John Galt
  • Score: -4

10:56pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Martin Lewis says...

No, I think it responded to some of the more serious points of your post, hard as they were to find.
No, I think it responded to some of the more serious points of your post, hard as they were to find. Martin Lewis
  • Score: 4

2:01am Tue 11 Mar 14

Kiwitaff says...

As a pensioner and former employee of Pembrokeshire CC I am appalled at the abuse of power that a small cohort of masons seem to be able to exert and manipulate the public service.

When all the jobs for the boyos were created in 1996 as a result of reorganisation. It has seen a gradual decline in services resulting in the Education Service requiring external support. The business community has suffered and Harford and Milford town centres are a disgrace. The Council leader needed help to submit his travel claims not just three months late but four years of backdated expenses.

The CEO not only earns more than the Prime Minister, he then arranges to negotiate an unlawful pension tax dodge. This is falling well short of the professional standards expected in the public sector.

There was clearly a lack of due diligence shown by all of those involved in this affair and the longer it drags on the credibility of Pembrokeshire CC will continue its downward spiral.
As a pensioner and former employee of Pembrokeshire CC I am appalled at the abuse of power that a small cohort of masons seem to be able to exert and manipulate the public service. When all the jobs for the boyos were created in 1996 as a result of reorganisation. It has seen a gradual decline in services resulting in the Education Service requiring external support. The business community has suffered and Harford and Milford town centres are a disgrace. The Council leader needed help to submit his travel claims not just three months late but four years of backdated expenses. The CEO not only earns more than the Prime Minister, he then arranges to negotiate an unlawful pension tax dodge. This is falling well short of the professional standards expected in the public sector. There was clearly a lack of due diligence shown by all of those involved in this affair and the longer it drags on the credibility of Pembrokeshire CC will continue its downward spiral. Kiwitaff
  • Score: 9

8:56am Tue 11 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

I stuck the name john galt into 192.com - amazing, the little address flag pops up around where some really big names , possibly the biggest in this whole fiasco also pops up - say no more ;-)
I stuck the name john galt into 192.com - amazing, the little address flag pops up around where some really big names , possibly the biggest in this whole fiasco also pops up - say no more ;-) Tttoommy
  • Score: 1

9:06am Tue 11 Mar 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

John Galt wrote:
Wonderful, my quote seemed to annoy a number of you. I hope to continue that trend. I was a little worried that no one would get it (hence the clarification post), however you bright minded young freedom fighters seemed to get in in the end.

I am surprised at the number of posts, since last week - clearly a testament to the small and unfulfilled lives you lead. What is shocking is that a number of them were during the working day - but should I be surprised that people with such venom and unpleasant views do not have jobs or are such slackers that they comment during company time?

I am little more concerned that the labour party is trying to shut the hospital, but hey-how things like that clearly aren’t important to the “People of Pembrokeshire”

KeanJo: your comment was appalling - having served time in the forces to hear you trivialise Hitler, the most atrocious man in modern history to a few council workers is just wrong and shameful. Brave men and women fought hard against him so that you could have your views. Do not take that for granted.

Electra1: Congratulations for working out how to use Google. As your historical knowledge is so strong you will be aware that Theodore Roosevelt also was accused of incorrect tax claims.

Martin Lewis: Using the argument that “99% of the rest of us” are right is an excellent one, an argument I am sure was used repeatedly when people started to question that maybe the world is not flat?

Eckysense: Excellent point “Webcasting council meetings has proved a great asset for the electorate”. I would draw your attention to the webcast of the special council meeting where a QC said that in his opinion there had been no wrong doing. Yet everyone is listening to an auditor. If I want an opinion on how to add pensions in a balance sheet I will ask an auditor, if I want a legal opinion on how pensions should be paid under contractual law I will ask a QC.

I find that you all use terms and phrases like “logic” and “the people of Pembrokeshire”, yet based on my logic and understanding of the people of Pembrokeshire, they voted for the Independents who are the MAJORITY. The independents then voted against the motion of no confidence ergo democracy in action. But clearly I don’t have the same grasp of logic and politics that you learned scholars seem to have.

Anyway I look forward to all the nasty responses to this. A request for you all if you don’t mind please? If you could make comparisons to other random historical and famous figures that would be great?

Some examples could be Genghis Khan, Napoleon Bonaparte, Henry Kissinger, Oscar Wild and Dawn French?

Many thanks
John Galt
John

Are you happy that Bryn Parry Jones earns the salary that he does? Do you believe he is worth it?

Do you believe that Pembrokeshire, as a county, is performing well with regard to education and social care?

Leaving aside the argument on its legality, do you believe that the changing of the pension arrangements for BPJ was the right thing to do, morally or ethically?

Do you believe the Freemasons are a benevolent or a malevolent force in Pembrokeshire County Council?

These are just a few of the issues that commenters on this board are concerned about. We are unhappy with the way Pembrokeshire County Council is being run and this is one small way of voicing our discontent. Why are you here?
[quote][p][bold]John Galt[/bold] wrote: Wonderful, my quote seemed to annoy a number of you. I hope to continue that trend. I was a little worried that no one would get it (hence the clarification post), however you bright minded young freedom fighters seemed to get in in the end. I am surprised at the number of posts, since last week - clearly a testament to the small and unfulfilled lives you lead. What is shocking is that a number of them were during the working day - but should I be surprised that people with such venom and unpleasant views do not have jobs or are such slackers that they comment during company time? I am little more concerned that the labour party is trying to shut the hospital, but hey-how things like that clearly aren’t important to the “People of Pembrokeshire” KeanJo: your comment was appalling - having served time in the forces to hear you trivialise Hitler, the most atrocious man in modern history to a few council workers is just wrong and shameful. Brave men and women fought hard against him so that you could have your views. Do not take that for granted. Electra1: Congratulations for working out how to use Google. As your historical knowledge is so strong you will be aware that Theodore Roosevelt also was accused of incorrect tax claims. Martin Lewis: Using the argument that “99% of the rest of us” are right is an excellent one, an argument I am sure was used repeatedly when people started to question that maybe the world is not flat? Eckysense: Excellent point “Webcasting council meetings has proved a great asset for the electorate”. I would draw your attention to the webcast of the special council meeting where a QC said that in his opinion there had been no wrong doing. Yet everyone is listening to an auditor. If I want an opinion on how to add pensions in a balance sheet I will ask an auditor, if I want a legal opinion on how pensions should be paid under contractual law I will ask a QC. I find that you all use terms and phrases like “logic” and “the people of Pembrokeshire”, yet based on my logic and understanding of the people of Pembrokeshire, they voted for the Independents who are the MAJORITY. The independents then voted against the motion of no confidence ergo democracy in action. But clearly I don’t have the same grasp of logic and politics that you learned scholars seem to have. Anyway I look forward to all the nasty responses to this. A request for you all if you don’t mind please? If you could make comparisons to other random historical and famous figures that would be great? Some examples could be Genghis Khan, Napoleon Bonaparte, Henry Kissinger, Oscar Wild and Dawn French? Many thanks John Galt[/p][/quote]John Are you happy that Bryn Parry Jones earns the salary that he does? Do you believe he is worth it? Do you believe that Pembrokeshire, as a county, is performing well with regard to education and social care? Leaving aside the argument on its legality, do you believe that the changing of the pension arrangements for BPJ was the right thing to do, morally or ethically? Do you believe the Freemasons are a benevolent or a malevolent force in Pembrokeshire County Council? These are just a few of the issues that commenters on this board are concerned about. We are unhappy with the way Pembrokeshire County Council is being run and this is one small way of voicing our discontent. Why are you here? PembrokeshireMan
  • Score: 5

10:52am Tue 11 Mar 14

Martin Lewis says...

Tommy, I believe John Galt is alluding to this character.

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/John_Galt

A pendejo for sure.
Tommy, I believe John Galt is alluding to this character. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/John_Galt A pendejo for sure. Martin Lewis
  • Score: 0

4:28pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

Martin Lewis wrote:
Tommy, I believe John Galt is alluding to this character.

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/John_Galt

A pendejo for sure.
Thanks for that, I have to admit I've never heard the name or the phrases re J Galt.

Still amazed that he seems to be living near a Mr Jones ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Martin Lewis[/bold] wrote: Tommy, I believe John Galt is alluding to this character. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/John_Galt A pendejo for sure.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that, I have to admit I've never heard the name or the phrases re J Galt. Still amazed that he seems to be living near a Mr Jones ;-) Tttoommy
  • Score: 1

4:30pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Martin Lewis says...

Nor had I Tommy, just Googled it because I'm just a simple peasant Guv and I didn't know nothing about it y'see? :-)
Nor had I Tommy, just Googled it because I'm just a simple peasant Guv and I didn't know nothing about it y'see? :-) Martin Lewis
  • Score: 1

4:32pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

PS Pendejo I do know as I do the synonyms menso, tarado, idiota, imbécil, estúpido living in Almeria,Spain for about 5 months of the Year
PS Pendejo I do know as I do the synonyms menso, tarado, idiota, imbécil, estúpido living in Almeria,Spain for about 5 months of the Year Tttoommy
  • Score: 0

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