Chairman resigned over chief executive ‘private investigator threat’

Cllr Jacob Williams revealed John Evans' letter to council leader on his blog

Cllr Jacob Williams revealed John Evans' letter to council leader on his blog

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A councillor has revealed that a committee chairman felt forced to resign following a ‘hostile’ encounter with the under fire chief executive of Pembrokeshire County Council, which is said to have left him ‘shocked’.

Cllr Jacob Williams revealed a letter sent by the former chairman of the audit committee, John Evans MBE, to council leader Cllr Jamie Adams stating that Bryn Parry-Jones had threatened to employ private investigators to uncover who had leaked information to the press.

The audit committee had been examining irregularities - including the alteration of minutes, in a property grant scheme in Pembroke Dock uncovered by Hakin councillor Mike Stoddart - with Mr Evans at the helm.

In his letter to Cllr Adams, dated July 3, Mr Evans said he was called to a meeting with Mr Parry-Jones after the committee report and dossier of information relating to the grant scheme had been passed to police.

Also present were two county council members and a number of senior council officers.

Mr Evans letter states: “At the start of the meeting the chief executive held aloft a copy of the Pembrokeshire Herald and demanded to know who present had disclosed to the newspaper the name of the officer who had tampered with the CPGS Grant minutes.

“The chief executive then requested that those responsible to immediately own up then and there.

“The chief executive then threatened to engage a private investigator to investigate everyone present if no one would admit to the disclose of the officer’s name.

“This threat caused great anguish and concern, as I was uncertain of the extent of the activities that a private investigator would resort, could be surveillance, could be phone hacking?

“The meeting ended in stunned silence and I was shocked at the tone, attitude and hostility of the chief executive.

“The hostile nature of the encounter left me feeling that my independence had been both violated, by such intimidation, and compromised by the threat of a private investigator intruding into my private life outside my commitments to the post of lay member.”

Mr Evans added he was also informed by Jonathan Haswell and Kerry MacDermott that the agreed process in response to the grants issue would become an internal audit and a human resource report would not be released to the audit committee.

He told Cllr Adams that it had become clear that his independence as lay chairman had been ‘totally compromised’ and he had ‘no alternative but to resign as there appeared no possible avenues open to provide the openness and transparency that was required to remedy the short comings of the directorate responsible for administering’ the grants.

“The alterations that are publicly known to have been made by the officer include both the addition and removal of information, much of which was designed to coat a more favourable gloss over the amount of scrutiny that had taken place by the CPGS grants panel – which consists entirely of unelected officers – who recommended awards of public cash should be made to restoration projects including those now under suspicion of irregularities,” said Cllr Williams.

This, and then later the name of the officer involved and his punishment of a written warning, was published in the Herald.

Cllr Williams added: “Mr Evans' letter shows just how domineering the chief executive is in his management of the council, and how out of touch he can be when conducting himself among others."

"The leak of the information appears on the face of it to have been relatively benign, yet for some unknown reason it really rattled Mr Parry-Jones. Whatever the real reason for his strong feelings, it's hard to see how anyone could conclude it was appropriate to convene a hostile early morning grilling and make threats like he did. You just can't do that sort of thing, and we should be grateful to Mr Evans for refusing to accept such conduct."

In response to the publication of Mr Evans’ letter Cllr Adams said: “It is unfortunate that Mr Evans did not take up my offer for the two of us to meet together to discuss the letter which I assumed he had sent to me privately.

“The meeting with the Chief Executive to which he refers was also attended by several others, including the Chairman of Council and a Cabinet Member.

“They have a rather different interpretation of events to Mr Evans.”

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7:32pm Mon 11 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

worse than the Kremlin why dont you call in the KGB Bryn. this man has to go.I T thought whistleblowers were protected now by law.
worse than the Kremlin why dont you call in the KGB Bryn. this man has to go.I T thought whistleblowers were protected now by law. seaveiw
  • Score: 34

9:13pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

When the PR apologists issue the statement after the organisation has allowed someone to die, or sacked someone for HONESTY ( rampant paedophilia in PCCs case? ) or done something illegal the "lessons have been learnt" only means that we'll be even more horrible and corrupt to ensure our dirty deeds aren;t found out AGAIN!
When the PR apologists issue the statement after the organisation has allowed someone to die, or sacked someone for HONESTY ( rampant paedophilia in PCCs case? ) or done something illegal the "lessons have been learnt" only means that we'll be even more horrible and corrupt to ensure our dirty deeds aren;t found out AGAIN! Tttoommy
  • Score: 11

10:26pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Kiwitaff says...

There are very strict audit regulations about the way public funds are correctly allocated. It begs the question whether the fraud squad should be asked by Gloucester Police to look into the way Pembrokeshire CC has used it's central grant allocation going right back to the start in 1996.

There should be only one option to suspend BPJ while a full audit and investigation is carried out.
There are very strict audit regulations about the way public funds are correctly allocated. It begs the question whether the fraud squad should be asked by Gloucester Police to look into the way Pembrokeshire CC has used it's central grant allocation going right back to the start in 1996. There should be only one option to suspend BPJ while a full audit and investigation is carried out. Kiwitaff
  • Score: 10

10:28pm Mon 11 Aug 14

pembrokedock123 says...

"shows just how domineering the chief executive is in his management of the council." - and last week we heard that many people who wanted to protest outside county hall were 'afraid' to do so for fear of reprisals - and now we hear the Chief Executive thinks employing private investigators is an appropriate way to investigate concerns of maladministration (presumably with our money) - what is going on? sounds like bullying rather than carrying out the democratic wishes of the local populace.
If this was all submitted as a script for a TV political soap opera it would be rejected as too implausible.
"shows just how domineering the chief executive is in his management of the council." - and last week we heard that many people who wanted to protest outside county hall were 'afraid' to do so for fear of reprisals - and now we hear the Chief Executive thinks employing private investigators is an appropriate way to investigate concerns of maladministration (presumably with our money) - what is going on? sounds like bullying rather than carrying out the democratic wishes of the local populace. If this was all submitted as a script for a TV political soap opera it would be rejected as too implausible. pembrokedock123
  • Score: 12

9:07am Tue 12 Aug 14

Andrew Lye says...

Bullying ....
When will the Leader suspend the Chief Executive?
Or is bullying acceptable at the top?
Bullying .... When will the Leader suspend the Chief Executive? Or is bullying acceptable at the top? Andrew Lye
  • Score: 19

9:21am Tue 12 Aug 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

Presumably the two county Councillors present at this meeting were members of the IPG, and perfectly content to be party to the proceedings, and remain silent after it.
It has been reported that one was Councillor David Simpson, a Cabinet member.
In the same spirit for openness where the IPG were baying for the Councillor who leaked confidential information to stand up and be counted in the Council Chamber, perhaps the other one would now declare.
Presumably the two county Councillors present at this meeting were members of the IPG, and perfectly content to be party to the proceedings, and remain silent after it. It has been reported that one was Councillor David Simpson, a Cabinet member. In the same spirit for openness where the IPG were baying for the Councillor who leaked confidential information to stand up and be counted in the Council Chamber, perhaps the other one would now declare. Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 12

10:35am Tue 12 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Andrew Lye wrote:
Bullying ....
When will the Leader suspend the Chief Executive?
Or is bullying acceptable at the top?
Come on now our member of parliamrnt, and our member at the senedd pull your fingers out and truly represent the wishes of the local electorate. What continues to happen at the P.C.C. is like a tin pot republic where those in charge are not only bullys but dictators. Please listen to us the general public (by the way I have no political offiliation) only the wish to see transparency in government)
[quote][p][bold]Andrew Lye[/bold] wrote: Bullying .... When will the Leader suspend the Chief Executive? Or is bullying acceptable at the top?[/p][/quote]Come on now our member of parliamrnt, and our member at the senedd pull your fingers out and truly represent the wishes of the local electorate. What continues to happen at the P.C.C. is like a tin pot republic where those in charge are not only bullys but dictators. Please listen to us the general public (by the way I have no political offiliation) only the wish to see transparency in government) seaveiw
  • Score: 16

11:20am Tue 12 Aug 14

Pembrokeshireboy72 says...

For those councillors who are remaining defiantly loyal to Mr Parry-Jones and Mr Adams, let me give you a bit of advice; It's only a matter of time before these two not only lose their positions within the council, but their livelihoods and reputations will be in tatters, particularly in a community like Pembrokeshire. If you remain supporting them any longer, you will be guaranteed to suffer the same fate.

It seems to me that the WAG's silence can only mean that they are giving PCC enough rope to hang themselves with. I would urge the other councillors to do the right thing, and don't be afraid of these two, no matter what threats they spew, they will come to nothing. You have a chance to do the right thing here, but you have to do it quickly as time is running out.

DO THE RIGHT THING, not just for us, but for your families. I'd hate it if my Dad were a councillor at PCC right now, I'd be so ashamed. And that isn't right, isn't it?
For those councillors who are remaining defiantly loyal to Mr Parry-Jones and Mr Adams, let me give you a bit of advice; It's only a matter of time before these two not only lose their positions within the council, but their livelihoods and reputations will be in tatters, particularly in a community like Pembrokeshire. If you remain supporting them any longer, you will be guaranteed to suffer the same fate. It seems to me that the WAG's silence can only mean that they are giving PCC enough rope to hang themselves with. I would urge the other councillors to do the right thing, and don't be afraid of these two, no matter what threats they spew, they will come to nothing. You have a chance to do the right thing here, but you have to do it quickly as time is running out. DO THE RIGHT THING, not just for us, but for your families. I'd hate it if my Dad were a councillor at PCC right now, I'd be so ashamed. And that isn't right, isn't it? Pembrokeshireboy72
  • Score: 20

11:54am Tue 12 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

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Help end the corruption in PCC by signing the petition and sending it to all your friends. 2507 Pembrokeshire people have so far signed, lets get it past the 3000 mark, Facebook and Twitter the link to all your family and friends : https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/e nd-corruption-in-pem brokeshire-county-co uncil Bilbo101
  • Score: 13

2:28pm Tue 12 Aug 14

emtycee says...

How pathetic that Pembrokians have not ousted this obviously inappropriate leader of the council,I personably can find no excuses for his dispicable behaviour,he and his supporters should be replaced immediately by decent members of our society willing to act for the good of Pembrokeshire.
How pathetic that Pembrokians have not ousted this obviously inappropriate leader of the council,I personably can find no excuses for his dispicable behaviour,he and his supporters should be replaced immediately by decent members of our society willing to act for the good of Pembrokeshire. emtycee
  • Score: 11

3:32pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

An “open” letter to the Welsh Audit Office:-
Request for a Report in the Public interest into the Corporate Governance arrangements of Pembrokeshire County Council.
I understand that you are required to report on these “arrangements” as part of your audit process and that you are able to:-
• Conduct a special inspection and publish a report and make recommendations and
• recommend to Ministers of the Welsh Government that they intervene in some way.
I note from your latest Annual Improvement Report on PCC issued in July, that you have concluded, inter-alia, that the Council is improving its governance arrangements and encouraging greater member involvement and challenge. However you do identify some specific governance issues the Council needs to consider.
I need not rehearse the failings of this council over recent years and months, ( some under continuing investigation) but it does seem time for a definitive comprehensive review into the continuing ongoing ethos of this Council and its corporate governance arrangements.
Since your report was published there have been three issues that have caused great concern to some councillors and many citizens of Pembrokeshire, to the extent that any remaining confidence in the council’s ability to put its house in order may have been lost:-
1. The revelations about the Mik Smith “case” and implied administrative shortcomings and
2. The public reported resignation of the Lay member and appointed chairman of the Council’s Audit Committee over undue officer influence on the former Chairman causing him to resign,
3. the subsequent reported actions of the Chief Executive Officer at a meeting.
The Council’s political leadership seem to be incapable of even recognising that things have gone seriously wrong, and presumably drawing comfort form your reports, continue to try and assure us that things are improving.
It has to be said, that I suspect many of us do not believe this. Will you please, under the powers available to you, undertake appropriate action that you consider necessary.
An “open” letter to the Welsh Audit Office:- Request for a Report in the Public interest into the Corporate Governance arrangements of Pembrokeshire County Council. I understand that you are required to report on these “arrangements” as part of your audit process and that you are able to:- • Conduct a special inspection and publish a report and make recommendations and • recommend to Ministers of the Welsh Government that they intervene in some way. I note from your latest Annual Improvement Report on PCC issued in July, that you have concluded, inter-alia, that the Council is improving its governance arrangements and encouraging greater member involvement and challenge. However you do identify some specific governance issues the Council needs to consider. I need not rehearse the failings of this council over recent years and months, ( some under continuing investigation) but it does seem time for a definitive comprehensive review into the continuing ongoing ethos of this Council and its corporate governance arrangements. Since your report was published there have been three issues that have caused great concern to some councillors and many citizens of Pembrokeshire, to the extent that any remaining confidence in the council’s ability to put its house in order may have been lost:- 1. The revelations about the Mik Smith “case” and implied administrative shortcomings and 2. The public reported resignation of the Lay member and appointed chairman of the Council’s Audit Committee over undue officer influence on the former Chairman causing him to resign, 3. the subsequent reported actions of the Chief Executive Officer at a meeting. The Council’s political leadership seem to be incapable of even recognising that things have gone seriously wrong, and presumably drawing comfort form your reports, continue to try and assure us that things are improving. It has to be said, that I suspect many of us do not believe this. Will you please, under the powers available to you, undertake appropriate action that you consider necessary. Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 17

5:07pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

This is the reply from the Welsh Office, let's bombard the Kremlin with a copy of the letter the more the better.
Thank you Welsh Office for your reply and guidance.

The Welsh Government expects local authorities to take complaints seriously and to have proper procedures in place for dealing with them. If you have not already done so, may I suggest you bring your complaint, to the attention of Pembrokeshire County Council and ask for it to be addressed under their internal complaints procedures. Pembrokeshire County Council provide advice on how to do this on their website, here:

http://www.pembrokes
hire.gov.uk/content.
asp?id=6362&nav=101,
1039&parent_director
y_id=646&language=


If you remain dissatisfied after the Council has responded to any formal complaint you have made, then it is open to you to approach the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales. The Ombudsman is an independent person empowered to consider complaints about public bodies in Wales including local authorities. Contact details for the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales are provided below.

Public Services Ombudsman for Wales
1 Ffordd – yr – Hen Gae
Pencoed
CF35 5LJ

Tel: 01656 641150
E-mail: ask@ombudsman-wales.
org.uk
Website: www.ombudsman-wales.
org.uk


Thank you for also including a copy of the letter that Mr John Evans MBE has sent to Councillor James Adams. I will bring it to the attention of the Minister for Local Government Business.
This is the reply from the Welsh Office, let's bombard the Kremlin with a copy of the letter the more the better. Thank you Welsh Office for your reply and guidance. The Welsh Government expects local authorities to take complaints seriously and to have proper procedures in place for dealing with them. If you have not already done so, may I suggest you bring your complaint, to the attention of Pembrokeshire County Council and ask for it to be addressed under their internal complaints procedures. Pembrokeshire County Council provide advice on how to do this on their website, here: http://www.pembrokes hire.gov.uk/content. asp?id=6362&nav=101, 1039&parent_director y_id=646&language= If you remain dissatisfied after the Council has responded to any formal complaint you have made, then it is open to you to approach the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales. The Ombudsman is an independent person empowered to consider complaints about public bodies in Wales including local authorities. Contact details for the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales are provided below. Public Services Ombudsman for Wales 1 Ffordd – yr – Hen Gae Pencoed CF35 5LJ Tel: 01656 641150 E-mail: ask@ombudsman-wales. org.uk Website: www.ombudsman-wales. org.uk Thank you for also including a copy of the letter that Mr John Evans MBE has sent to Councillor James Adams. I will bring it to the attention of the Minister for Local Government Business. Welshman23
  • Score: 15

5:39pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

Excellent work Welshman23, every bit helps and a step closer to our goal. If we all keep working on this then fingers crossed we can get the result that we all striving for which is the removal of Bryn Parry-Jones as Chief exec and hopefully the incompetent leader Jamie Adams. This council is an absolute disgrace and it is my opinion that this boys club have been abusing their position for far too long and are not fit to run our council. Ridiculously overpaid and far too often make decisions in their own interests and clearly not in the interests of the people of Pembrokeshire.
Excellent work Welshman23, every bit helps and a step closer to our goal. If we all keep working on this then fingers crossed we can get the result that we all striving for which is the removal of Bryn Parry-Jones as Chief exec and hopefully the incompetent leader Jamie Adams. This council is an absolute disgrace and it is my opinion that this boys club have been abusing their position for far too long and are not fit to run our council. Ridiculously overpaid and far too often make decisions in their own interests and clearly not in the interests of the people of Pembrokeshire. Bilbo101
  • Score: 13

8:00pm Tue 12 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
Excellent work Welshman23, every bit helps and a step closer to our goal. If we all keep working on this then fingers crossed we can get the result that we all striving for which is the removal of Bryn Parry-Jones as Chief exec and hopefully the incompetent leader Jamie Adams. This council is an absolute disgrace and it is my opinion that this boys club have been abusing their position for far too long and are not fit to run our council. Ridiculously overpaid and far too often make decisions in their own interests and clearly not in the interests of the people of Pembrokeshire.
Well done Welshman23, lets now hope that this is really the beginning of the end, these people must either go voluntery or be pushed out in disgrace.
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: Excellent work Welshman23, every bit helps and a step closer to our goal. If we all keep working on this then fingers crossed we can get the result that we all striving for which is the removal of Bryn Parry-Jones as Chief exec and hopefully the incompetent leader Jamie Adams. This council is an absolute disgrace and it is my opinion that this boys club have been abusing their position for far too long and are not fit to run our council. Ridiculously overpaid and far too often make decisions in their own interests and clearly not in the interests of the people of Pembrokeshire.[/p][/quote]Well done Welshman23, lets now hope that this is really the beginning of the end, these people must either go voluntery or be pushed out in disgrace. seaveiw
  • Score: 9

9:25pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

After sending a letter to the Welsh Office this is the response and guidelines not the next process. Let's get writing.

The Welsh Government expects local authorities to take complaints seriously and to have proper procedures in place for dealing with them. If you have not already done so, may I suggest you bring your complaint, to the attention of Pembrokeshire County Council and ask for it to be addressed under their internal complaints procedures. Pembrokeshire County Council provide advice on how to do this on their website, here:

http://www.pembrokes
hire.gov.uk/content.



If you remain dissatisfied after the Council has responded to any formal complaint you have made, then it is open to you to approach the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales. The Ombudsman is an independent person empowered to consider complaints about public bodies in Wales including local authorities. Contact details for the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales are provided below.

Public Services Ombudsman for Wales
E-mail: ask@ombudsman-wales.
org.uk
Website: www.ombudsman-wales.
org.uk


Thank you for also including a copy of the letter that Mr John Evans MBE has sent to Councillor James Adams. I will bring it to the attention of the Minister for Local Government Business.
After sending a letter to the Welsh Office this is the response and guidelines not the next process. Let's get writing. The Welsh Government expects local authorities to take complaints seriously and to have proper procedures in place for dealing with them. If you have not already done so, may I suggest you bring your complaint, to the attention of Pembrokeshire County Council and ask for it to be addressed under their internal complaints procedures. Pembrokeshire County Council provide advice on how to do this on their website, here: http://www.pembrokes hire.gov.uk/content. If you remain dissatisfied after the Council has responded to any formal complaint you have made, then it is open to you to approach the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales. The Ombudsman is an independent person empowered to consider complaints about public bodies in Wales including local authorities. Contact details for the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales are provided below. Public Services Ombudsman for Wales E-mail: ask@ombudsman-wales. org.uk Website: www.ombudsman-wales. org.uk Thank you for also including a copy of the letter that Mr John Evans MBE has sent to Councillor James Adams. I will bring it to the attention of the Minister for Local Government Business. Welshman23
  • Score: 3

9:29pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Welshman23 wrote:
After sending a letter to the Welsh Office this is the response and guidelines not the next process. Let's get writing.

The Welsh Government expects local authorities to take complaints seriously and to have proper procedures in place for dealing with them. If you have not already done so, may I suggest you bring your complaint, to the attention of Pembrokeshire County Council and ask for it to be addressed under their internal complaints procedures. Pembrokeshire County Council provide advice on how to do this on their website, here:

http://www.pembrokes

hire.gov.uk/content.




If you remain dissatisfied after the Council has responded to any formal complaint you have made, then it is open to you to approach the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales. The Ombudsman is an independent person empowered to consider complaints about public bodies in Wales including local authorities. Contact details for the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales are provided below.

Public Services Ombudsman for Wales
E-mail: ask@ombudsman-wales.

org.uk
Website: www.ombudsman-wales.

org.uk


Thank you for also including a copy of the letter that Mr John Evans MBE has sent to Councillor James Adams. I will bring it to the attention of the Minister for Local Government Business.
Apologies for re sending but I must get a swell of opinion and action. Please help us achieve our goal.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: After sending a letter to the Welsh Office this is the response and guidelines not the next process. Let's get writing. The Welsh Government expects local authorities to take complaints seriously and to have proper procedures in place for dealing with them. If you have not already done so, may I suggest you bring your complaint, to the attention of Pembrokeshire County Council and ask for it to be addressed under their internal complaints procedures. Pembrokeshire County Council provide advice on how to do this on their website, here: http://www.pembrokes hire.gov.uk/content. If you remain dissatisfied after the Council has responded to any formal complaint you have made, then it is open to you to approach the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales. The Ombudsman is an independent person empowered to consider complaints about public bodies in Wales including local authorities. Contact details for the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales are provided below. Public Services Ombudsman for Wales E-mail: ask@ombudsman-wales. org.uk Website: www.ombudsman-wales. org.uk Thank you for also including a copy of the letter that Mr John Evans MBE has sent to Councillor James Adams. I will bring it to the attention of the Minister for Local Government Business.[/p][/quote]Apologies for re sending but I must get a swell of opinion and action. Please help us achieve our goal. Welshman23
  • Score: 5

1:09am Wed 13 Aug 14

Flashbang says...

emtycee wrote:
How pathetic that Pembrokians have not ousted this obviously inappropriate leader of the council,I personably can find no excuses for his dispicable behaviour,he and his supporters should be replaced immediately by decent members of our society willing to act for the good of Pembrokeshire.
Haven't you been paying attention? This has been the topic of debate for months and years. If he could have been got rid of by the people he would have been sent packing long ago. It's not the"Pembrokians" who are pathetic for not getting him out, it's the IPPG or whoever they are this week.
If you know how to get rid of him please expand on the topic.
[quote][p][bold]emtycee[/bold] wrote: How pathetic that Pembrokians have not ousted this obviously inappropriate leader of the council,I personably can find no excuses for his dispicable behaviour,he and his supporters should be replaced immediately by decent members of our society willing to act for the good of Pembrokeshire.[/p][/quote]Haven't you been paying attention? This has been the topic of debate for months and years. If he could have been got rid of by the people he would have been sent packing long ago. It's not the"Pembrokians" who are pathetic for not getting him out, it's the IPPG or whoever they are this week. If you know how to get rid of him please expand on the topic. Flashbang
  • Score: 12

9:34am Wed 13 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Flashbang wrote:
emtycee wrote:
How pathetic that Pembrokians have not ousted this obviously inappropriate leader of the council,I personably can find no excuses for his dispicable behaviour,he and his supporters should be replaced immediately by decent members of our society willing to act for the good of Pembrokeshire.
Haven't you been paying attention? This has been the topic of debate for months and years. If he could have been got rid of by the people he would have been sent packing long ago. It's not the"Pembrokians
" who are pathetic for not getting him out, it's the IPPG or whoever they are this week.
If you know how to get rid of him please expand on the topic.
It's great that new ppl are posting here, it shows that more and more ppl are getting "politicised" in their anger about how BPJ has screwed up Pembrokeshire.

Now is not the time to pick on little things, let's get BPJ and Jamie out first
[quote][p][bold]Flashbang[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emtycee[/bold] wrote: How pathetic that Pembrokians have not ousted this obviously inappropriate leader of the council,I personably can find no excuses for his dispicable behaviour,he and his supporters should be replaced immediately by decent members of our society willing to act for the good of Pembrokeshire.[/p][/quote]Haven't you been paying attention? This has been the topic of debate for months and years. If he could have been got rid of by the people he would have been sent packing long ago. It's not the"Pembrokians " who are pathetic for not getting him out, it's the IPPG or whoever they are this week. If you know how to get rid of him please expand on the topic.[/p][/quote]It's great that new ppl are posting here, it shows that more and more ppl are getting "politicised" in their anger about how BPJ has screwed up Pembrokeshire. Now is not the time to pick on little things, let's get BPJ and Jamie out first Tttoommy
  • Score: 3

3:57pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Just e mailed the Ombudsmen for guidance and what powers he has if any.
Keep you posted.
Just e mailed the Ombudsmen for guidance and what powers he has if any. Keep you posted. Welshman23
  • Score: 7

4:19pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Just e mailed the Ombudsmen for guidance and what powers he has if any.
Keep you posted.
Good-on-you. Maybe you could also send him/her the links to JacobWilliams.com, OldGrumpy.co.uk & PembrokeshireHerald.
co.uk so that they can get an overview of the rot and abuse of power in Pembrokeshire County Council.

We need to save our services and get rid of these self-serving parasites.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Just e mailed the Ombudsmen for guidance and what powers he has if any. Keep you posted.[/p][/quote]Good-on-you. Maybe you could also send him/her the links to JacobWilliams.com, OldGrumpy.co.uk & PembrokeshireHerald. co.uk so that they can get an overview of the rot and abuse of power in Pembrokeshire County Council. We need to save our services and get rid of these self-serving parasites. Bilbo101
  • Score: 9

5:18pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

I rather feel that the Ombudsman can only investigate matters where you as an individual have suffered a personal wrong by a council. He has not got power to investigate "class" wrongs on all of us. As a first step the Council has to be given the chance to correct things ( unsatisfactorily ) before the Ombudsman can get involved.

This is why I have submitted my "open" letter to the Welsh Audit Office, who can investigate Corporate Governance issues.
I rather feel that the Ombudsman can only investigate matters where you as an individual have suffered a personal wrong by a council. He has not got power to investigate "class" wrongs on all of us. As a first step the Council has to be given the chance to correct things ( unsatisfactorily ) before the Ombudsman can get involved. This is why I have submitted my "open" letter to the Welsh Audit Office, who can investigate Corporate Governance issues. Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 5

9:30pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
Welshman23 wrote:
Just e mailed the Ombudsmen for guidance and what powers he has if any.
Keep you posted.
Good-on-you. Maybe you could also send him/her the links to JacobWilliams.com, OldGrumpy.co.uk & PembrokeshireHerald.

co.uk so that they can get an overview of the rot and abuse of power in Pembrokeshire County Council.

We need to save our services and get rid of these self-serving parasites.
I forgot to mention I did sent the links from Jacob, Grumpy, Paul Miller, Pembrokeshire Herald, Telegraph, Playboy oops sorry the last entry is a joke.
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Just e mailed the Ombudsmen for guidance and what powers he has if any. Keep you posted.[/p][/quote]Good-on-you. Maybe you could also send him/her the links to JacobWilliams.com, OldGrumpy.co.uk & PembrokeshireHerald. co.uk so that they can get an overview of the rot and abuse of power in Pembrokeshire County Council. We need to save our services and get rid of these self-serving parasites.[/p][/quote]I forgot to mention I did sent the links from Jacob, Grumpy, Paul Miller, Pembrokeshire Herald, Telegraph, Playboy oops sorry the last entry is a joke. Welshman23
  • Score: 3

9:32pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Indeview J Hudson wrote:
I rather feel that the Ombudsman can only investigate matters where you as an individual have suffered a personal wrong by a council. He has not got power to investigate "class" wrongs on all of us. As a first step the Council has to be given the chance to correct things ( unsatisfactorily ) before the Ombudsman can get involved.

This is why I have submitted my "open" letter to the Welsh Audit Office, who can investigate Corporate Governance issues.
I think if we contact everyone then something must stick, what we need is an ex CEO that can guide us, is there anyone out there.
[quote][p][bold]Indeview J Hudson[/bold] wrote: I rather feel that the Ombudsman can only investigate matters where you as an individual have suffered a personal wrong by a council. He has not got power to investigate "class" wrongs on all of us. As a first step the Council has to be given the chance to correct things ( unsatisfactorily ) before the Ombudsman can get involved. This is why I have submitted my "open" letter to the Welsh Audit Office, who can investigate Corporate Governance issues.[/p][/quote]I think if we contact everyone then something must stick, what we need is an ex CEO that can guide us, is there anyone out there. Welshman23
  • Score: 3

7:29pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Sorry not much use but know we know the process, let's bombard the complaints, a standard letter from one of the bloggers would be useful so we all could use.

Thank you for your email. From the information you have provided I can only give you a general response at this time.

If you want the Ombudsman to consider any of your concerns about Pembrokeshire County Council, you will have to make a specific complaint to us detailing your concerns.

If you complaint concerns the maladministration or service failure of the Council as a public body, you can complete our Public Body complaint form, available on our website at http://www.ombudsman
-wales.org.uk/en/Mak
ing%20a%20complaint.
aspx. However please note that the Ombudsman can only consider complaints that have been through the formal complaints procedure of the relevant body. You would therefore have to make a formal complaint, and receive a final response, from the Council before having recourse to the Ombudsman.

If you wish to make a complaint about an individual Councillor, you can do this by completing our Code of Conduct form, available on our website via the link above.

Please note, however, that there are some restrictions governing what the Ombudsman can and cannot investigate, for example matters relating to pay and staff discipline. You may wish to look at our website for more information.

I hope this information is useful to you.

Yours sincerely

Complaints Advice Team
Public Services Ombudsman for Wales
1 Ffordd yr Hen Gae
Pencoed
CF35 5LJ

Telephone/Ffôn: 01656 641150
Fax/Ffacs: 01656 641199
Email/Ebost: ask@ombudsman-wales.
org.uk
Sorry not much use but know we know the process, let's bombard the complaints, a standard letter from one of the bloggers would be useful so we all could use. Thank you for your email. From the information you have provided I can only give you a general response at this time. If you want the Ombudsman to consider any of your concerns about Pembrokeshire County Council, you will have to make a specific complaint to us detailing your concerns. If you complaint concerns the maladministration or service failure of the Council as a public body, you can complete our Public Body complaint form, available on our website at http://www.ombudsman -wales.org.uk/en/Mak ing%20a%20complaint. aspx. However please note that the Ombudsman can only consider complaints that have been through the formal complaints procedure of the relevant body. You would therefore have to make a formal complaint, and receive a final response, from the Council before having recourse to the Ombudsman. If you wish to make a complaint about an individual Councillor, you can do this by completing our Code of Conduct form, available on our website via the link above. Please note, however, that there are some restrictions governing what the Ombudsman can and cannot investigate, for example matters relating to pay and staff discipline. You may wish to look at our website for more information. I hope this information is useful to you. Yours sincerely Complaints Advice Team Public Services Ombudsman for Wales 1 Ffordd yr Hen Gae Pencoed CF35 5LJ Telephone/Ffôn: 01656 641150 Fax/Ffacs: 01656 641199 Email/Ebost: ask@ombudsman-wales. org.uk Welshman23
  • Score: -1

1:57pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Want to see something funny or really hypocritical depending on how you feel about a whistleblower being sacked for making a stand against a paedophiles in PCC?

http://www.pembrokes
hire.gov.uk/content.
asp?nav=101,2212&id=
30323

Our good councillors standing up against bullying - you really couln't make it up :((
Want to see something funny or really hypocritical depending on how you feel about a whistleblower being sacked for making a stand against a paedophiles in PCC? http://www.pembrokes hire.gov.uk/content. asp?nav=101,2212&id= 30323 Our good councillors standing up against bullying - you really couln't make it up :(( Tttoommy
  • Score: 2

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